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Would you let your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19,1642]

Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members?


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Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

How exactly would a homosexual influence your child?

Is this a fair question ask? Supposed there is on openly homosexual Scoutmaster. The role itself makes being a mentor and a role model automatic. This Scoutmaster loves the kids and the kids look up to him. However, this Scoutmaster has a same sex significant other. The Scoutmaster would never molest or act in any inappropriate way toward the boys but occasionally his gay lover stops by Boy Scout meetings to maybe drop off something or get cash to buy the grocery store items for dinner after the meeting. When he does, as any married couple would do, he gives his gay lover a big hug and when he leaves a goodbye kiss in full view of the boys in his troop. Remember, the boys see him as a role model, look up to him and some want to pattern their lives after him.

It just so happens that during the scouting years, boys become sexually aware. There is different research on the causes for sexual orientation, much of which could be driven by less than pure science and more by social agenda so I think its more than fair to say environmental factors especially those that are present when sexual awareness occurs for the first time might be at least a contributing factor in determining one's sexual orientation. Could therefore, impressionable young boys who are exposed to public displays of same sex romantic affection carried out by highly admired role model/leaders at the precise formative time in their lives when sexual awakening occurs be inadvertently "influenced" to pursue a homosexual life themselves even if no molestation ever occurred?
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Fortunately, we don't punish people for their thoughts. Navy Pride is not a bad person. He is just as entitled to be prejudiced against gays as you are to be prejudiced against people with blue eyes. It is actions that make a person bad . . . not thoughts. Prejudice comes from people judging other people. Perhaps we have a "physician, heal thyself" moment here.

I'm sorry, I don't buy into the circular logic that says that I must tolerate intolerance or else I am intolerant. He has started dozens, if not hundreds of threads over the years about homosexuality. All of those threads were started with the premise that homosexuality is abnormal and unacceptable. He actively campaigns here against homosexuality when it has no effect on him. He has been informed that his position is wrong and he refuses to accept new information. He has hate in his heart. That's what motivates his "thoughts". That does make him a bad person in my book.

I have blue eyes.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

In combination with my other post.

THESE are bad people. These church goers:

Yes, those are bad people. Are you trying to say that as long as you aren't as bad as WBC you are a good person?
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Is this a fair question ask? Supposed there is on openly homosexual Scoutmaster. The role itself makes being a mentor and a role model automatic. This Scoutmaster loves the kids and the kids look up to him. However, this Scoutmaster has a same sex significant other. The Scoutmaster would never molest or act in any inappropriate way toward the boys but occasionally his gay lover stops by Boy Scout meetings to maybe drop off something or get cash to buy the grocery store items for dinner after the meeting. When he does, as any married couple would do, he gives his gay lover a big hug and when he leaves a goodbye kiss in full view of the boys in his troop. Remember, the boys see him as a role model, look up to him and some want to pattern their lives after him.

It just so happens that during the scouting years, boys become sexually aware. There is different research on the causes for sexual orientation, much of which could be driven by less than pure science and more by social agenda so I think its more than fair to say environmental factors especially those that are present when sexual awareness occurs for the first time might be at least a contributing factor in determining one's sexual orientation. Could therefore, impressionable young boys who are exposed to public displays of same sex romantic affection carried out by highly admired role model/leaders at the precise formative time in their lives when sexual awakening occurs be inadvertently "influenced" to pursue a homosexual life themselves even if no molestation ever occurred?

So what if kids want to pursue a homosexual life for themselves?

My Scoutmaster was divorced. It has no effect on my marriage.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Yes, those are bad people. Are you trying to say that as long as you aren't as bad as WBC you are a good person?

No. I'm saying that a person is "bad," not for his thoughts, but for his actions. If you asked most males over 70, "Do you accept homosexuality?" I think you'd hear the majority of them saying, "Absolutely not." This is a major change in our culture. That you cannot see that makes you intolerant.

I love guys with blue eyes, by the way. ;)
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Could therefore, impressionable young boys who are exposed to public displays of same sex romantic affection carried out by highly admired role model/leaders at the precise formative time in their lives when sexual awakening occurs be inadvertently "influenced" to pursue a homosexual life themselves even if no molestation ever occurred?

I grew up in South Florida around many gay adults. It did make me aware that if I were to be gay, that I would not be stoned and burned at the stake. However, it never made me the slightest bit curious about participating in homosexual acts. I just dig the chicks, it's how I am wired. Homosexuality as an orientation is not a choice and neither is heterosexuality.

The farthest I would go with respect to choice is that I do believe that not everyone is either heterosexual or homosexual, some are attracted to both sexes, so these individuals might choose a monogamous relationship with one sex or the other.

So no, I do not believe that one could be "influenced" to pursue a homosexual orientation, but I would hope that openly gay role models would allow younger people to recognize that if that is how they feel, they can be what they are without condemnation or shame.

If the prevention of gay role models could prevent people from being gay, there would be no gay people, since most societies have carefully excluded any tolerance for the existence of these people and forced them to pretend not to be what they are. And yet, through all that, they still became what they were.

We need to stop trying to prevent homosexuality and just let it be. Everyone should imagine that their child is gay and see how they feel about these ideas in that light.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Is this a fair question ask? Supposed there is on openly homosexual Scoutmaster. The role itself makes being a mentor and a role model automatic. This Scoutmaster loves the kids and the kids look up to him. However, this Scoutmaster has a same sex significant other. The Scoutmaster would never molest or act in any inappropriate way toward the boys but occasionally his gay lover stops by Boy Scout meetings to maybe drop off something or get cash to buy the grocery store items for dinner after the meeting. When he does, as any married couple would do, he gives his gay lover a big hug and when he leaves a goodbye kiss in full view of the boys in his troop. Remember, the boys see him as a role model, look up to him and some want to pattern their lives after him.

It just so happens that during the scouting years, boys become sexually aware. There is different research on the causes for sexual orientation, much of which could be driven by less than pure science and more by social agenda so I think its more than fair to say environmental factors especially those that are present when sexual awareness occurs for the first time might be at least a contributing factor in determining one's sexual orientation. Could therefore, impressionable young boys who are exposed to public displays of same sex romantic affection carried out by highly admired role model/leaders at the precise formative time in their lives when sexual awakening occurs be inadvertently "influenced" to pursue a homosexual life themselves even if no molestation ever occurred?


Holy hell...that's one fantastic imagination you got there. I was in scouts for years. Never once did any spouse, significant other, lover, one-night-stand or any other such "partner" stop by the scout meeting to get something.

Geez....you really want to start playing "what if" games?
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

If you asked most males over 70, "Do you accept homosexuality?" I think you'd hear the majority of them saying, "Absolutely not." This is a major change in our culture.

This. Perfect. Sense.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Holy hell...that's one fantastic imagination you got there. I was in scouts for years. Never once did any spouse, significant other, lover, one-night-stand or any other such "partner" stop by the scout meeting to get something.

Geez....you really want to start playing "what if" games?

If I decided not to send my child to such a camp, it would be to protect him from normal, natural childhood curiosity...just like I would protect him in my basement with a friend of his. I wouldn't worry about the adults. I would worry about the professed gay 12- and 13-year-olds.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

As a parent of two daughters, I feel I've got MUCH MUCH more to fear from the "heterosexual world" than I do from the "homosexual world".

For the life of me I can't figure out why people are so frightened by "gay".

Every single one of the gay people I know are fantastically wonderful human beings, and some are great friends, while there are so many "straight" douche-bags and morons that I can't even begin to count them.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members?

Fortunately, we don't punish people for their thoughts. Navy Pride is not a bad person. He is just as entitled to be prejudiced against gays as you are to be prejudiced against people with blue eyes. It is actions that make a person bad . . . not thoughts. Prejudice comes from people judging other people. Perhaps we have a "physician, heal thyself" moment here.

Yep, one of the advantages of the internet is people can say things they normally wouldn't say in public. People can vent and discuss their own fears and prejudices with a fair amount of anonymity.

Face the reality, everyone has prejudices.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

No. I'm saying that a person is "bad," not for his thoughts, but for his actions. If you asked most males over 70, "Do you accept homosexuality?" I think you'd hear the majority of them saying, "Absolutely not." This is a major change in our culture. That you cannot see that makes you intolerant.

I love guys with blue eyes, by the way. ;)

I understand that when he was young our society was very homophobic. Also when he was young they didn't have personal computers. He obviously figured that out. Also, when he was young, society was bigoted against black folks. Black folks weren't allowed to marry white folks. If he were starting a multitude of bait threads about interracial marriages I doubt you would be defending him and excusing him as a product of the culture he grew up in.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

a multitude of bait threads

This is indeed a thought worth examining.


It does appear that NP starts a crap-load of threads about anything and all things gay.
When he doesn't get the response he hopes for, he starts another thread and words it a bit differently.

Maybe a mod can simply combine all NP gay threads into one, and place it down in the basement somewhere?
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I think we'd all be surprised how many people say they would allow their children to go to a camp with openly gay members but wouldn't.
In today's society a lot of people say PC things but don't necessarily back up their convictions and vice versa. Talk is cheap.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

This is indeed a thought worth examining.


It does appear that NP starts a crap-load of threads about anything and all things gay.
When he doesn't get the response he hopes for, he starts another thread and words it a bit differently.

Maybe a mod can simply combine all NP gay threads into one, and place it down in the basement somewhere?

That's my point. The threads he starts are his actions. I can only imagine what he has done in real life. I would have trouble believing that he doesn't disparage gay people in some way in real life as well.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I think we'd all be surprised how many people say they would allow their children to go to a camp with openly gay members but wouldn't.
In today's society a lot of people say PC things but don't necessarily back up their convictions and vice versa. Talk is cheap.

This is probably true.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I think we'd all be surprised how many people say they would allow their children to go to a camp with openly gay members but wouldn't.
In today's society a lot of people say PC things but don't necessarily back up their convictions and vice versa. Talk is cheap.

Why lie in a situation like this?
One where you're basically anonymous and have little to nothing to gain or lose by telling the truth?
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Why lie in a situation like this?
One where you're basically anonymous and have little to nothing to gain or lose by telling the truth?

I don't mean just here on the website. And the reason would be the same to seem more tolerant than you really are.
Unless, you think that doesn't happen?
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Is this a fair question ask? Supposed there is on openly homosexual Scoutmaster. The role itself makes being a mentor and a role model automatic. This Scoutmaster loves the kids and the kids look up to him. However, this Scoutmaster has a same sex significant other. The Scoutmaster would never molest or act in any inappropriate way toward the boys but occasionally his gay lover stops by Boy Scout meetings to maybe drop off something or get cash to buy the grocery store items for dinner after the meeting. When he does, as any married couple would do, he gives his gay lover a big hug and when he leaves a goodbye kiss in full view of the boys in his troop. Remember, the boys see him as a role model, look up to him and some want to pattern their lives after him.

It just so happens that during the scouting years, boys become sexually aware. There is different research on the causes for sexual orientation, much of which could be driven by less than pure science and more by social agenda so I think its more than fair to say environmental factors especially those that are present when sexual awareness occurs for the first time might be at least a contributing factor in determining one's sexual orientation. Could therefore, impressionable young boys who are exposed to public displays of same sex romantic affection carried out by highly admired role model/leaders at the precise formative time in their lives when sexual awakening occurs be inadvertently "influenced" to pursue a homosexual life themselves even if no molestation ever occurred?

That would not influence anyone, seeing someone be homosexual isn't going to make anyone of any age have a certain sexual orientation if so all children of gay couples would be gay.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

That would not influence anyone, seeing someone be homosexual isn't going to make anyone of any age have a certain sexual orientation if so all children of gay couples would be gay.

I never implied each and every young person might be thusly influenced, only the possibility than some might. Every student in school doesn't want to grow up to be a teacher although all have teachers. However, some are made such a profound impact upon that a few follow in their footsteps.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I never implied each and every young person might be thusly influenced, only the possibility than some might. Every student in school doesn't want to grow up to be a teacher although all have teachers. However, some are made such a profound impact upon that a few follow in their footsteps.

That is a conscience choice though, your sexuality is not.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I never implied each and every young person might be thusly influenced, only the possibility than some might. Every student in school doesn't want to grow up to be a teacher although all have teachers. However, some are made such a profound impact upon that a few follow in their footsteps.

Just thinking here, I bet there are plenty of openly gay teachers working.
 
Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

That is a conscience choice though, your sexuality is not.
I'm Bi, you can't choose who you fall for but you can pick girls or guys (any one that claims to have 'converted back to straight' is Bi rather than fully gay). Though if you are fully gay or straight, you can't pick against how you are geared biologically (and mentally) to be attracted to.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp

That is a conscience choice though, your sexuality is not.

I once thought that it was a choice myself, but having close friends who are gay I came to realize that it's not. Close Lesbian friend of mine discussed it she put it this way. Would one choose a lifestyle that would put you in a class of people that you're a social outcast and considered a deviant? That is when I had my epiphany and got a clue.

Let me put it to you this way, I'm attracted to the opposite sex and to me sex with the same sex is revolting. Guess what? That's the same for them when it comes to the opposite sex.

Put yourself in their shoes, what if society considered heterosexuality deviant the norm.
 
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