Would you let your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19,1642]

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Navy Pride said:

If the gay kid is older then the boy then he might be intimidated by his peer.......

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Well, he shouldn't be such a *****. Gotta raise 'm right.

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Mason66 said:

How are you hurt by somebody looking at you?

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Because i have a reasonable expectation to be able to go to the bathroom without being sexually harrassed, which is exactly what me going into the girls room to watch them would be considered. The gay community is always talking about equal rights, but this seems to only apply to their situation. How does me going into the womens bathroom "hurt" them? There is a double standard there. Im not advocating me being allowed to go in the womens bathroom im advocating equal rights.

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notquiteright said:

No but they do take communal showers after sport together. kids go into offices with teachers all the time. Somehow those female teachers manage to hook-up with underage students. Priests don't camp-out with the kids they molest... you make a weak argument for the difference between camping in a scout troop vs most places where children are molested.

Navy have you ever been on a camp-out or jamboree? The Scouting trips I attended the adults slept in separate tents and the kids were two to a pop-up tent. it isn't a mass cuddle in some tent... :roll:

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I am not talking about adults and yes I was a Boy Scout as were my 3 boys.


They might take showers in Gym class and there are usual a bunch of kids taking a shower at the same time......I doubt very seriously if gay kid would make move under that situation.

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Navy Pride said:

I am not talking about adults and yes I was a Boy Scout as were my 3 boys.


They might take showers in Gym class and there are usual a bunch of kids taking a shower at the same time......I doubt very seriously if gay kid would make move under that situation.

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"make a move"


hahaha

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ecofarm said:

Well, he shouldn't be such a *****. Gotta raise 'm right.

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That is true...........

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ecofarm said:

"make a move"


hahaha

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That is your best shot? I don't have time for this.......I am done with you.

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Navy Pride said:

I am done with you.

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No, I don't think so. I'm makin' my move.

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Navy Pride said:

I am not talking about adults and yes I was a Boy Scout as were my 3 boys.


They might take showers in Gym class and there are usual a bunch of kids taking a shower at the same time......I doubt very seriously if gay kid would make move under that situation.

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So you or your 3 boys couldn't fend off unwanted advances? Thank Gawd none of you were girls! All ya'll would have a dozen kids by now. :roll:

How weak or timid would you have to be not stop another kid your own age from sexual assault? Seems to me a reasonable person would admit no Scoutmaster would pair the weakest boy in the troop with an openly gay guy and for that matter what troop leader would permit any boy with impulse control issues to be alone with another kid for very long.

Sort of like allowing the pyromaniac in the troop to be fire guard at nite!

Seriously Dude, do you really think a boy your same age can't fend off another kid's advances? And as an aside, 'make a move', is that full on rape or just admiring a fella's smile?

I mean i made plenty of moves on women in my salad days... Pushy, persistent, even 'handsy', but no girl would ever say i forced anything past second base.... :mrgreen:

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notquiteright said:

So you or your 3 boys couldn't fend off unwanted advances? Thank Gawd none of you were girls! All ya'll would have a dozen kids by now. :roll:

How weak or timid would you have to be not stop another kid your own age from sexual assault? Seems to me a reasonable person would admit no Scoutmaster would pair the weakest boy in the troop with an openly gay guy and for that matter what troop leader would permit any boy with impulse control issues to be alone with another kid for very long.

Sort of like allowing the pyromaniac in the troop to be fire guard at nite!

Seriously Dude, do you really think a boy your same age can't fend off another kid's advances? And as an aside, 'make a move', is that full on rape or just admiring a fella's smile?

I mean i made plenty of moves on women in my salad days... Pushy, persistent, even 'handsy', but no girl would ever say i forced anything past second base.... :mrgreen:

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Your comparing your younger sexist self with gay scouts? Its not necessarily a discussion on whether or not my son is capable of fending off an unwanted sexual advance from a fellow scout, the issue is why should i be forced to put my son in a situation where he would potentially have to? And dont come back with the "you dont have to send your son" argument, because its getting to the point where gays have more rights than straights these days. You think a straight male having to fend off a sexual advance from a gay male is funny? You think it says something about the male if he is unable to fend it off? Thats the classic "he/she had it coming" argument. You think your matcho cause you forced girls to second base, but not third?

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Dpetty said:

Your comparing your younger sexist self with gay scouts? Its not necessarily a discussion on whether or not my son is capable of fending off an unwanted sexual advance from a fellow scout, the issue is why should i be forced to put my son in a situation where he would potentially have to? And dont come back with the "you dont have to send your son" argument, because its getting to the point where gays have more rights than straights these days. You think a straight male having to fend off a sexual advance from a gay male is funny? You think it says something about the male if he is unable to fend it off? Thats the classic "he/she had it coming" argument. You think your matcho cause you forced girls to second base, but not third?

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'Forced to put your son in this position'???? Seriously??? I didn't realize the scouts drafted poor innocent hetro boys! damn their eyes!

What the hell are you talking about, gays have more rights???? Try marriage, adoption, taxes... get real.

Now you seem to think gay guys just 'put the moves on' just any ol' hetro kid they see? Again seriously??!!

When i tried to round second I had met the girl, spoke to the girl, charmed the girl to accept a date and THEN in a quiet spot she agreed to go to 'put the moves on' her.

So thinking if your boy likes being chatted up by a gay kid, accepts a date, goes to a somewhat secluded spot and THEN gets felt up...

are you sure the boy is not at least bi-curious?

To think a gay scout who is in good standing would try and rape a fellow scout sure speaks ill of the Scouting program.

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Navy Pride said:

If he only abuses boys it does to me.

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Just because you say "it does to me" doesn't mean the man is gay. Perhaps he likes to exploit the power he has over the kid, regardless of the sex of the kid, but he only has access to little boys. We can't know if the man is gay unless he openly admits he's attracted to males. After all, that's what being gay means..being attracted to the opposite sex. Therefore one can kiss or have relations without actually being gay.

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Navy Pride said:

In school you don't have to sleep with the gay kids.........

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Ever hear about or be in school gym class....showers.....have you forgotten ??
There is little difference.....one cannot "excape" the homosexuals..al 3% of them....
As far as posters go politically, there is NO "most"...this has been discussed.

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notquiteright said:

'Forced to put your son in this position'???? Seriously??? I didn't realize the scouts drafted poor innocent hetro boys! damn their eyes!

What the hell are you talking about, gays have more rights???? Try marriage, adoption, taxes... get real.

Now you seem to think gay guys just 'put the moves on' just any ol' hetro kid they see? Again seriously??!!

When i tried to round second I had met the girl, spoke to the girl, charmed the girl to accept a date and THEN in a quiet spot she agreed to go to 'put the moves on' her.

So thinking if your boy likes being chatted up by a gay kid, accepts a date, goes to a somewhat secluded spot and THEN gets felt up...

are you sure the boy is not at least bi-curious?

To think a gay scout who is in good standing would try and rape a fellow scout sure speaks ill of the Scouting program.

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Your all over the place. I never said anything about rape, you did. You also mentioned forcing yourself on women in your earlier days. Great example. Scout camp and scouting in general is about learning skills in the outdoors and being prepared for all kinds of situations. It shouldnt be about sexual preferences. You can muddy the waters all you want but it doesnt change the fact that gay guys arent just attracted to other gay guys, they are attracted to any guy they find attractive. Any responsible parent would not willingly or knowingly put their child, son or daughter in a position where anything of a sexual matter could jeopardize them. Again, this is why girl scouts and boy scouts dont go camping together. I dont think its right or fair that a gay scout can go camping with someone they are potentially sexually attracted to. As i stated before, the BSA have already had scandals involving this very thing. Knowingly putting them together would only increase the occurance.

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Dpetty said:

Any responsible parent would not willingly or knowingly put their child, son or daughter in a position where anything of a sexual matter could jeopardize them. Again, this is why girl scouts and boy scouts don't go camping together.

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I take it you home school your children and keep them protected by a giant bubble when they go to the beach? Your statement is so utterly ridiculous I have trouble even accepting the possibility that you may be a parent. I bet you never got a handjob in middle school because your parents kept you out of situations where anything of a sexual matter could happen.

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Dpetty said:

Your all over the place. I never said anything about rape, you did. You also mentioned forcing yourself on women in your earlier days. Great example. Scout camp and scouting in general is about learning skills in the outdoors and being prepared for all kinds of situations. It shouldnt be about sexual preferences. You can muddy the waters all you want but it doesnt change the fact that gay guys arent just attracted to other gay guys, they are attracted to any guy they find attractive. Any responsible parent would not willingly or knowingly put their child, son or daughter in a position where anything of a sexual matter could jeopardize them. Again, this is why girl scouts and boy scouts dont go camping together. I dont think its right or fair that a gay scout can go camping with someone they are potentially sexually attracted to. As i stated before, the BSA have already had scandals involving this very thing. Knowingly putting them together would only increase the occurance.

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Never said forcing, said 'putting the moves on', rounding second... get real. for your son to be in the same position as the girls I 'forced' myself on he would have accepted a date with the gay scout, go to that secluded spot and hug, kiss, moan his approval of the kissing and hugging before deciding anything more wasn't appreciated... do you think your boy would do all that before deciding he didn't like macking with boys???

Scouting is SOOOO much more than knots and how to defecate in the woods, you muddy the waters by suggesting a gay scout would spend his time macking up the other boys. Get real, he is there to learn like all the others.

Again we are not talking about a scout raping another scout, and if you think your kid can't be exposed to the same 'sexual matter' in school, church, the local playground you are sadly mistaken.

The Catholic Church has had a bushel butt load of scandals, does that mean 'responsible parents' should stop sending their kids to Bible Study with the Priest?

If the standard 'position where anything of a sexual nature could jeopardize them' is universal then no co-ed schools, church groups which DO go camping together- Turner Falls, OK has several church camps and the kid's nickname for the place is Cherry Falls because many a Gawd Fearing young lady has left her's there...

No Sir, there is no real reason the exclude gay boys from camping in the Scouts, or for that matter have well chaperoned boy and girl scout gatherings.

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earthworm said:

Ever hear about or be in school gym class....showers.....have you forgotten ??
There is little difference.....one cannot "excape" the homosexuals..al 3% of them....
As far as posters go politically, there is NO "most"...this has been discussed.

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I will repost this one more time:
They might take showers in Gym class and there are usual a bunch of kids taking a shower at the same time......I doubt very seriously if gay kid would make move under that situation.

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Hatuey said:

I take it you home school your children and keep them protected by a giant bubble when they go to the beach? Your statement is so utterly ridiculous I have trouble even accepting the possibility that you may be a parent. I bet you never got a handjob in middle school because your parents kept you out of situations where anything of a sexual matter could happen.

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I guess you would be happy if everyone were as sex crazed and irresponsible as you? You have no morals and you flaunt it like its an attribute. I didn’t get a hand job in junior high because i was more engaged in being a child. I protect my kids from perverts like you who would take away their innocence before their time. Don’t act like your some new age progressive thinker when in reality your just a miscreant. I know your just trying to get a rise out of me because you think that will somehow validate your point, but as much as it might shock you, there are still parents out there who want their kids to grow up in an environment free of moral decay, and they do all they can to teach them right and help them avoid evil as much as possible. Unfortunately, there is adversary in all things.

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notquiteright said:

Never said forcing, said 'putting the moves on', rounding second...

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Go back and read your words, you did say forced.

Again we are not talking about a scout raping another scout, and if you think your kid can't be exposed to the same 'sexual matter' in school, church, the local playground you are sadly mistaken.

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So i shouldnt try to protect my child? Since as you say, its inevitable?

The Catholic Church has had a bushel butt load of scandals, does that mean 'responsible parents' should stop sending their kids to Bible Study with the Priest?

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I sure as hell wouldnt let them go camping together.

If the standard 'position where anything of a sexual nature could jeopardize them' is universal then no co-ed schools, church groups which DO go camping together- Turner Falls, OK has several church camps and the kid's nickname for the place is Cherry Falls because many a Gawd Fearing young lady has left her's there...

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Thats really cute, im sure they love telling their story to their kids.

No Sir, there is no real reason the exclude gay boys from camping in the Scouts, or for that matter have well chaperoned boy and girl scout gatherings.

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Never said they should be excluded or banned, i just think they should have their own troops. What exactly is your reason for no chaperones? Big fan of lord of the flies are ya?

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ecofarm said:

Well, he shouldn't be such a *****. Gotta raise 'm right.

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Best post yet in this ridiculous thread.

But it is true you can't be with your kids 24 hours a day so you better raise them able to take care of themselves.

Give me a kid any day who can stand his ground over the kid whose parents have to hand hold him and make certain he never has exposure to the "other element".

This is why I had my kids go to the most diverse schools in our district. My oldest son went to a 3rd grade class in which he was one of the two caucasians in the class. FYI, he didn't turn black.

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brothern said:

I just find it incredibly amusing. One half of our society deals with this behavior on a constant basis, but you have it in your head that you're the only victim of unwanted sexual attraction. You're not. It happens to all of us. Don't get yourself in a tizzy if it ever happen. Let it slid, walk-away and laugh about it later. I do it as much as every woman has ever done it.

To add to that, as a gay guy, your willie (and probable hairy beer gut) isn't something that I would ever want to look at. Such behavior is unacceptable, sexual harassment and all around rude. You're making us out as some sort of vicious monsters, which I and all of my friends -- both gay and straight -- certainly are not. We are all human and have the exact same beliefs and wishes about privacy as you do.

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Well said brother.

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Navy Pride said:

I will repost this one more time:
They might take showers in Gym class and there are usual a bunch of kids taking a shower at the same time......I doubt very seriously if gay kid would make move under that situation.

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What makes you think they'd make a move in a tent full of kids? Also, what makes you think the person they're making a move on would accept that move (unless they too were gay)? Unless they're forcing themselves on the person I don't see a problem.

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afr0byte said:

What makes you think they'd make a move in a tent full of kids? Also, what makes you think the person they're making a move on would accept that move (unless they too were gay)? Unless they're forcing themselves on the person I don't see a problem.

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Its a different scenario all together.

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Dpetty said:

Go back and read your words, you did say forced. So i shouldnt try to protect my child? Since as you say, its inevitable? I sure as hell wouldnt let them go camping together. Thats really cute, im sure they love telling their story to their kids. Never said they should be excluded or banned, i just think they should have their own troops. What exactly is your reason for no chaperones? Big fan of lord of the flies are ya?

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First I said 'forced' not forced... please pay attention. the homophobic crowd are sooo worried gay boys are just waiting to 'force' themselves on poor straight boys, i was playing off of that. I never raped a girl, and ONLY after a bunch of smooth talking , her accepting my invite for a date and then willingly going into a secluded spot with me, LOTS of hugging and lip locking tried more ... YOU seem to think gays don't do it the same way but just jump on and dry hump poor straight boys... :roll:

You can't protect your kid from everything and you shouldn't, otherwise you raise a big pampered baby who expects others to protect him/her. camping together??? I don't mean in the same tent or even the same row, but they go camping together all the time.

I didn't say no chaperones, did say there are sooo many places a child gets varying degrees of exposure to the real world you do them no service by 'protecting' them in scouts.

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Navy Pride said:

Its a different scenario all together.

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It is a different scenario that's true. Would you please answer the actual questions I asked, though?

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Dpetty said:

I guess you would be happy if everyone were as sex crazed and irresponsible as you?

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No, I'd be happy if you weren't a prude. But in end it doesn't matter, you've made it obvious you keep your kids ridiculously sheltered to the point where they'll have social adjustment problems later on in life. Mine? She'll be normal human beings who doesn't think every lesbian she meets is trying to have sexual relationships anymore than any man she meets is trying to sleep with her.

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