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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    The Roman Catholic church does........I have to admit I am not a scholar pn the bible like you but I will take their word for it.
    My understanding is that the Catholic Church makes a distinction between who one is and what one does. And so it does condemn homosexual sex as it does other forms of fornication.

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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there we

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    No offense, but I think this is probably a prejudice he's picked up at home.

    I asked my cousin today what she would do. She said it wouldn't make a twit worth of difference to her. I asked, "But what if your boys (she has 2 grown) were 10 and 12? She said, "Maggie, by that age, my kids knew how their father felt about gays. It would not be a problem." So there is THAT bit of home prejudice to account for. It's not a good thing, but it's there.
    I would probably not allow my 11 year old daughter to join a troop with open lesbians............the same principles for both genders apply.
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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    The Roman Catholic church does........I have to admit I am not a scholar pn the bible like you but I will take their word for it.
    I am not at all a scholar of anything. But I am a member of a gay affirming catholic church. And in my younger days I spoke to several priests and ft. Propolis was the one that walked me through the Greek.

    The catholic church doesn't condemn gays, it just doesn't agree with gay marriage. The catholic church is universal, for everybody, that is its doctrine. If the catholic church condemned anybody it would be hypocritical. The scripture says that salvation is for those in need of salvation. Jesus said those words himself.

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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    My understanding is that the Catholic Church makes a distinction between who one is and what one does. And so it does condemn homosexual sex as it does other forms of fornication.
    The church condemns any sex outside of marriage be it straight or gay...........We do welcome sinners straight or gay...........WE are taught to love the sinner and hate the sin.
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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there we

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Bud, I don't pretend to know all there is about human sexuality... but as I've said before, I don't believe in inborn and immutable orientation. I think we're all potentially changeable under the right circumstances, in behaviors if not in what is commonly called "orientation". Prison behavior is a good example.

    So maybe, maybe not.

    I'm just admitting it would make me kinda uncomfortable and raise some concerns.
    Goshin, I used to think the same way until I was the person that a gay friend came out to. What's funny is I had my suspicions before she even wanted to admit it to herself. She wasn't raised to be gay at all. In fact, her dad won't talk to her now. Where did she pick it up?

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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    I am not at all a scholar of anything. But I am a member of a gay affirming catholic church. And in my younger days I spoke to several priests and ft. Propolis was the one that walked me through the Greek.

    The catholic church doesn't condemn gays, it just doesn't agree with gay marriage. The catholic church is universal, for everybody, that is its doctrine. If the catholic church condemned anybody it would be hypocritical. The scripture says that salvation is for those in need of salvation. Jesus said those words himself.
    Sorry I don't believe you. I went to Catholic school for 12 years and have never heard of a gay catholic church............It would be totally against the Pope's teachings......
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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    I am not at all a scholar of anything. But I am a member of a gay affirming catholic church. And in my younger days I spoke to several priests and ft. Propolis was the one that walked me through the Greek.

    The catholic church doesn't condemn gays, it just doesn't agree with gay marriage. The catholic church is universal, for everybody, that is its doctrine. If the catholic church condemned anybody it would be hypocritical. The scripture says that salvation is for those in need of salvation. Jesus said those words himself.
    Respectfully, Claxx, I think the Catholic church denies communion to gays who are living with a same-sex partner. The Catholic church considers a homosexual practicing his orientation to not be in a state of grace -- thus being unable to receive the sacrament. Sad, but there it is.
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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Riddle me this: If my 10-year-old is manipulated to have guy-on-guy sex by a 14-year-old, how is that any less a traumatic experience than if it was an 18-year-old manipulating him?
    riddle me this why do you only worry about this with gay people?
    do you believe gay people are more likely to sexually "manipulate" others for some reason?
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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there we

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Goshin, I used to think the same way until I was the person that a gay friend came out to. What's funny is I had my suspicions before she even wanted to admit it to herself. She wasn't raised to be gay at all. In fact, her dad won't talk to her now. Where did she pick it up?

    I don't claim to have the answer to that. Experts that study homosexuality from a psychological and physiological context have not yet been able to prove a definitive and general "cause" for homosexuality.

    I am with those experts I've read who believe that the "causes" can be a combination of many factors, and can vary from individual to individual.

    I don't believe in immutable orientation because it depends on behavior to determine orientation... thus making itself a circular argument with no leg to stand on, while proclaiming "behavior may vary, but orientation doesn't".

    Ok fine whatever... but it is well known that behavior DOES vary! I've known self-proclaimed gay men who sometimes had sex with women. Prison behavior is another proof that behavior varies. So why does everyone implode if someone suggests it might VARY in the other direction? That someone straight might be talked into engaging in a homosexual act by someone persuasive who desired them?

    We certainly see that behavior occur in the hetero world don't we? Plenty of gals say "oh hell no" to some guy, but he keeps pursuing and pressing and the next thing you hear is that Suzie finally slept with Sam.

    I'm not saying it happens every day, but I'd be very surprised if it doesn't happen at all.

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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    riddle me this why do you only worry about this with gay people?
    do you believe gay people are more likely to sexually "manipulate" others for some reason?


    It would not be a problem if the boys or girls were all straight..........They would have no sexual to one another, in fact they would be disgusted by it..
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