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    re: Would you let your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19,1642]

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    Mhmm.


    And, actually, I might moderate that comment. The straight male counselors were worse (more troublesome?), because a few of them were too rough on the kids during sports / outside free time. One of the six years that I worked there, one counselor got fired for (accidentally) breaking a kid's nose when he punted a kickball right into the poor kid's face.
    What a load of crap, like he did it on purpose. Has anyone here ever raised a kid that NEVER got hurt accidently?

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    re: Would you let your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19,1642]

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I voted no and it is because of the age factor. A boy or girl 10-15 years old is very moldable. I don't think gay is an inherited trait so I must presume it is learned, even if the learning is subliminal. I wouldn't want my child to think the only way you know if you are gay is if you try it and don't like it. Put yourself back in your pubescent mindset and then answer.
    I kind if think if it's a choice, everyone hold kick the tires, so to speak. Try each side out, and have an informed choice.

    Of course, we don't really choose in that way. It sent learned either.

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    re: Would you let your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19,1642]

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    What a load of crap, like he did it on purpose. Has anyone here ever raised a kid that NEVER got hurt accidently?
    In the last 5 years we've made 12 injury-related trips to the ER. . .all bloody. Lots of blood - it's amazing how much kids manage to bleed.

    And you know - one time at my Dad's church we were goofing off on the stairs and one kid fell down and went through the drywall - busted his nose . . . just as one example.

    OH! (afterthought) that does remind me of some dude we use to know when I was 10 or so - he was a lot of fun to hang around with. We'd ham it up - he'd help my dad out around the church. Everyone loved him. . . and then one day for reasons unknown to us (kids) - we were told not to ever talk to him again. I don't know what he did - but he was suddenly unwelcome and I doubt that 'being gay' was one of the concerns.
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    re: Would you let your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19,1642]

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    In the last 5 years we've made 12 injury-related trips to the ER. . .all bloody. Lots of blood - it's amazing how much kids manage to bleed.

    And you know - one time at my Dad's church we were goofing off on the stairs and one kid fell down and went through the drywall - busted his nose . . . just as one example.

    OH! (afterthought) that does remind me of some dude we use to know when I was 10 or so - he was a lot of fun to hang around with. We'd ham it up - he'd help my dad out around the church. Everyone loved him. . . and then one day for reasons unknown to us (kids) - we were told not to ever talk to him again. I don't know what he did - but he was suddenly unwelcome and I doubt that 'being gay' was one of the concerns.
    When I was around 12 I climbed a crane used for lifting boats out of the water, slipped and fell throught the glass of the cab, my son at 12 was running through the house to get the phone and broke three toes on the baseboards. It is always something.

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    re: Would you let your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19,1642]

    Yes, and I wouldn't associate with anyone in my personal life who votes "no".
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    re: Would you let your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19,1642]

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    What a load of crap, like he did it on purpose. Has anyone here ever raised a kid that NEVER got hurt accidently?
    I have no issue with parents playing rough with kids, or rough play at all, but the counselors aren't parents. All that needs to happen is for the one kid whose parents are the sue-happy nuts to break a bone or a nose and the [[company-I-worked-for]] has a lawsuit, enraged parents and a half dozen lawyers yelling about negligence. In retrospect, parents are by far the worst 'group of people' that I've ever had to work with.

    Doubling back to the original point. LGBT people make up about 5% of the population. That's 1 in 20 people. Chances are that your kids already know openly gay counselors, teachers, church leaders, adult mentors and parents of their friends long before they reached the age at which they can attend proper "overnight" camps. Heck, knowing what I know from being a camp counselor, most kids know the birds and bees long before their parents every think to tell 'em (because that's what older siblings are for).

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    re: Would you let your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19,1642]

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    I have no issue with parents playing rough with kids, or rough play at all, but the counselors aren't parents. All that needs to happen is for the one kid whose parents are the sue-happy nuts to break a bone or a nose and the [[company-I-worked-for]] has a lawsuit, enraged parents and a half dozen lawyers yelling about negligence. In retrospect, parents are by far the worst 'group of people' that I've ever had to work with.

    Doubling back to the original point. LGBT people make up about 5% of the population. That's 1 in 20 people. Chances are that your kids already know openly gay counselors, teachers, church leaders, adult mentors and parents of their friends long before they reached the age at which they can attend proper "overnight" camps. Heck, knowing what I know from being a camp counselor, most kids know the birds and bees long before their parents every think to tell 'em (because that's what older siblings are for).
    I agree, I had already had sex before my parents brought it up.

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    re: Would you let your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19,1642]

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    When I was around 12 I climbed a crane used for lifting boats out of the water, slipped and fell throught the glass of the cab, my son at 12 was running through the house to get the phone and broke three toes on the baseboards. It is always something.
    Yep - always something.

    Sometimes no one even knows how it happened. When my oldest was 7 I found him sitting on the back porch stoop - bloody nose, just covered in blood. His brother was playing on the swingset as if it didn't even happen. All I did was go inside for a few minutes to shift the laundry.

    No clue to this day what happened - it just did.

    Heck - one day my son ended up with a giant egg sized welt on his head - no clue how that happened, either. he didn't remember hurting himself. . . and someone at the school even called cps to investigate.

    It wasn't until he was 11 that we found out his pain-sensory is 1/2 as sensitive as it should be - explained *so much* - he could get hurt and not realize it at all.
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    re: Would you let your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19,1642]

    Navy Pride is curious yellow, "Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members?"

    Your wording is problematic and I doubt you will find wording which is not contentious to at least some. Your hot button word is "openly" which is suggestive.

    Over in Pelosi led San Francisco, "openly" gay makes for good pornography movies, right out there in the streets. Should you attend a Pelosi "leather parade", well, wear dark shades, wear a raincoat and don't take your kids!

    At a camp, a retreat, a shoreline picnic, this "openly" notion is not so volatile. Couple of boys holding hands, couple of girls kissing, this is not a problem and is not the business of others. My view is what others do, while appropriate public behavior, is simply the business of none. Your circumstances could easily be reversed.

    During a gay parade in Los Angeles, where gays and lesbians keep their clothes on and respect others, you and your family would be the oddballs. I might ask those of the gay and lesbian community, "Would you take your children to an event where there are openly straight people?" I have a hunch you and your family would be welcomed, especially your children who would delight in this L.A. colorful parade which is televised, and never any law enforcement problems.

    A more challenging reversal for you, Navy Pride, is naked truth. Three of us in our small family are nudists. We love attending nudist resorts, beaches and planned activities, lots of friendship and fun! Challenge for you is this nudist lifestyle is popular with all ages of people, from grandma to granddaughter. This is adults and children, all naked and enjoying fun. There are some mixed in who wear clothes or partial clothing. None really care. Would you take your kids to a camp where families are openly nude?

    Reminds me of our girl. She makes a friend at a resort, a young girl like herself. Her new friend is shy and wearing clothes, well, a swimsuit. Our girl is nude. Our daughter takes her friend's hand, pulls her friend into a locker room. Not long, out those two come, both nude, and they jump right into a swimming pool with lots of other nude people. Had to drag both out of this pool after a couple of hours; they looked like wrinkled up prunes hollering, "Marco", "Polo" followed by grins and giggles.

    Our girl made a new friend for life, her new friend never wore clothes again at this resort and enjoyed loads of fun!

    Navy Pride, is being straight or gay, being clothed or nude, is this a measure of a person's worth? Of course not. What you are working at is imposing Christian moral values upon others which is wrong headed. Last time Christians got all crazy about their moral values, they slaughtered twenty-five-million of my peoples, men, women and children alike.

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    re: Would you let your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19,1642]

    Wow 26-4 that is pretty decisive I wonder if all you lefties actually had to make that decision what you would do.
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