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Would you let your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19,1642]

Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members?


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Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

And some straight people are pedophiles too. I don't really think there is a higher instance among homosexuals. As I said, pedophilia is its own separate thing.

Straight pedophiles are attracted to young females.
 
Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

Straight pedophiles are attracted to young females.

Wrong again. How about some sources NP.
 
Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

So when are your sources from? Come on NP, I put up, now it's your turn.

you give me data that is ancient history............current studies have already been cited by other posters.
 
Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

you give me data that is ancient history............current studies have already been cited by other posters.

Where are your sources NP? Why do you keep dodging?
 
Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

you give me data that is ancient history............current studies have already been cited by other posters.

1989 and 1994 is not "ancient history." Let's see your more up to date studies done by someone other than the staff of the WND.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I see three problems with this citation:

(1) It is composed by a partisan who is apparently not a scientist.
(2) It provides a broken link to its own citation.
(3) It claims that ' "100% of children with gay parents reported that they "were happy with their gender and had no wish to be a member of the opposite sex" '. In other words there is zero variation, and a zero-variation result is difficult to believe no matter how well qualified the investigator might be.

Now, I did not miss this other claim from the same paragraph as (3): "Children with queer parents also demonstrated no greater tendency toward gender-atypical behaviors." I would like to see documentaion for this written by a scientific investigator. If it is an actual result of rigorous scientific study, and if is successfully replicated, then it would provide very strong evidence for a "hard-wired" genetic explanation for homosexuality, as opposed to a social-cultural explanation.

this one is a bit more scientific:

Children of Lesbian and Gay Parents

As the social visibility and legal status of lesbian and gay parents has increased, three major concerns about the influence of lesbian and gay parents on children have been often voiced (Falk, 1994; Patterson, Fulcher & Wainright, 2002). One is that the children of lesbian and gay parents will experience more difficulties in the area of sexual identity than children of heterosexual parents. For instance, one such concern is that children brought up by lesbian mothers or gay fathers will show disturbances in gender identity and/or in gender role behavior. A second category of concerns involves aspects of children's personal development other than sexual identity. For example, some observers have expressed fears that children in the custody of gay or lesbian parents would be more vulnerable to mental breakdown, would exhibit more adjustment difficulties and behavior problems, or would be less psychologically healthy than other children. A third category of concerns is that children of lesbian and gay parents will experience difficulty in social relationships. For example, some observers have expressed concern that children living with lesbian mothers or gay fathers will be stigmatized, teased, or otherwise victimized by peers. Another common fear is that children living with gay or lesbian parents will be more likely to be sexually abused by the parent or by the parent's friends or acquaintances.

Results of social science research have failed to confirm any of these concerns about children of lesbian and gay parents (Patterson, 2000, 2004a; Perrin, 2002; Tasker, 1999). Research suggests that sexual identities (including gender identity, gender-role behavior, and sexual orientation) develop in much the same ways among children of lesbian mothers as they do among children of heterosexual parents (Patterson, 2004a).

Which is exactly what is expected. If sexual orientation is innate, not a choice and not learned behavior, then it follows that exposure to homosexuals would have no effect one way or another. If it is a choice, and/or learned behavior, then exposure to homosexuals would result in more children choosing a homosexual lifestyle.

Every study I've ever seen that was not made by some group with an agenda has evidenced the first opinion: Homosexuality is hard wired in the individual, just like handedness and a lot of other traits.

Once upon a time, being left handed was considered a bad choice. Perhaps one day, homosexuality will get no more attention than left/right dominance does now.
 
Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

Most Liberals don't really care about morals and could care less if this country goes hell in a handbasket on the issue......

You are one to preach about morals NP. Anyone who has been on this site for any length of time can see right through your hypocrisy.
 
Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

You are one to preach about morals NP. Anyone who has been on this site for any length of time can see right through your hypocrisy.

Why do you always resort to personal attacks when you are beaten like a stepchild.....
 
Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

Why do you always resort to personal attacks when you are beaten like a stepchild.....
Oh puh-lease.

Why do you always expose your hypocrisy when you preach to others about their morals when everyone knows about the lack of morals that you brag about around here. It isn't a "personal attack" to point out that your morals are not very lofty when you start casting stones at everyone else. Sorry....but you can't complain to others when your closet is full of garbage.
 
Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

Why do you always resort to personal attacks when you are beaten like a stepchild.....

So how you coming along with that documentation of your claims NP?
 
Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

This is about the most through source regarding homosexuality and the myth that it is linked to child molestation.
Facts About Homosexuality and Child Molestation

One particular thing I noticed was that three percent of child molestations were committed by homosexuals, that is kind of telling, being that the estimated percent of the population that is homosexual (openly).

That fact stands to prove that there is no proclivity what so ever that homosexuals molest children.

Navy, you're wrong, you lost the debate, facts aren't on your side nor is popular opinion, now its time to let go
 
Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

So how you coming along with that documentation of your claims NP?

I told you when you get a current link and not from the stone age you will get it............
 
Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

Oh puh-lease.

Why do you always expose your hypocrisy when you preach to others about their morals when everyone knows about the lack of morals that you brag about around here. It isn't a "personal attack" to point out that your morals are not very lofty when you start casting stones at everyone else. Sorry....but you can't complain to others when your closet is full of garbage.

Why do you always attack a poster and never address the thread?
 
Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

So how you coming along with that documentation of your claims NP?

His claims are false, as have been proven, numerous times, he kinds to his ancient dusty beliefs, because they are familiar, and comfortable.

Don't stop asking him to cite any support for his misconceptions, that is how his credibility is destroyed, and the next drone that comes along with nothing but "my priest said so" or "that's how it was all along" clap trap, they by holding such an unfounded belief will have less credibility.

The cycle I just illustrated is exactly why the culture is moving to a more accepting side of homosexuality.

To put it simply, neanderthals were pushed out of existence by their more advanced Cro Magnon superior. Do not worry, cultures don't typically regress to backward beliefs when they are more knowledge driven.
 
Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

Oh puh-lease.

Why do you always expose your hypocrisy when you preach to others about their morals when everyone knows about the lack of morals that you brag about around here. It isn't a "personal attack" to point out that your morals are not very lofty when you start casting stones at everyone else. Sorry....but you can't complain to others when your closet is full of garbage.

Notice, her doesn't refute my posts or even respond to them, mainly because he was bested in debate, about page 60ish.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Well your values are ****ed up, that's all I'm saying.
LOL. Exhibit A of hypocrisy "I love tolerance as long as it doesn't disagree with my beliefs."
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

so it's very Christian to teach your kid to be afraid of gay people because they might get you and then you would be gay.
Please quote where I said that and we can debate the point.
yeah I don't know where that's written in the Bible
I doubt you know where a lot of things are written in the Bible my friend. You seem to be the typical non-believer that thinks they know a lot about what I believe but can't tell me much about the basis for their beliefs.
 
Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

I told you when you get a current link and not from the stone age you will get it............

Already done, and you have yet to show a single source for your claims. I wonder why....
 
Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

So how you coming along with that documentation of your claims NP?

You must be really happy to have Clax as your back up monitoring every post.....:lamo
 
Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

You must be really happy to have Clax as your back up monitoring every post.....:lamo

Has nothing to do with your made up claims NP. I realize all you have left is to desperately evade awhile, then make the same bull**** claims again, but I can play this game. Lets see some sources NP.
 
Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

I told you when you get a current link and not from the stone age you will get it............

I posted one from July of 2004. Have you had a chance to look at it yet?
 
Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

Why do you always attack a poster and never address the thread?


Could it be because you are attacking countless people through your campaign against them?

Perhaps if you stopped all your relentless attacks, you wouldn't receive any of that which you dispense.
 
Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

Has nothing to do with your made up claims NP. I realize all you have left is to desperately evade awhile, then make the same bull**** claims again, but I can play this game. Lets see some sources NP.

What part of post some current ones and you will see.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

OK I reworded my post and I apologize if I offended anyone with my last poll.......I am and old country boy and sometimes the meaning is not what I meant....I really would like to know how the members of the forum feel about this issue.

better a camp with openly gay members than a camp with closeted latent homo pederasts
 
Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

Could it be because you are attacking countless people through your campaign against them?

Perhaps if you stopped all your relentless attacks, you wouldn't receive any of that which you dispense.

Unlike you I don't attack fellow members personally.....You have to do that because you got nothing else. will continue to fight radical liberalism until I breathe my last breath or it is wiped off the face of the earth...
 
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