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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Fortunately, we don't punish people for their thoughts. Navy Pride is not a bad person. He is just as entitled to be prejudiced against gays as you are to be prejudiced against people with blue eyes. It is actions that make a person bad . . . not thoughts. Prejudice comes from people judging other people. Perhaps we have a "physician, heal thyself" moment here.
    Yep, one of the advantages of the internet is people can say things they normally wouldn't say in public. People can vent and discuss their own fears and prejudices with a fair amount of anonymity.

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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    No. I'm saying that a person is "bad," not for his thoughts, but for his actions. If you asked most males over 70, "Do you accept homosexuality?" I think you'd hear the majority of them saying, "Absolutely not." This is a major change in our culture. That you cannot see that makes you intolerant.

    I love guys with blue eyes, by the way.
    I understand that when he was young our society was very homophobic. Also when he was young they didn't have personal computers. He obviously figured that out. Also, when he was young, society was bigoted against black folks. Black folks weren't allowed to marry white folks. If he were starting a multitude of bait threads about interracial marriages I doubt you would be defending him and excusing him as a product of the culture he grew up in.
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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    a multitude of bait threads
    This is indeed a thought worth examining.


    It does appear that NP starts a crap-load of threads about anything and all things gay.
    When he doesn't get the response he hopes for, he starts another thread and words it a bit differently.

    Maybe a mod can simply combine all NP gay threads into one, and place it down in the basement somewhere?

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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    I think we'd all be surprised how many people say they would allow their children to go to a camp with openly gay members but wouldn't.
    In today's society a lot of people say PC things but don't necessarily back up their convictions and vice versa. Talk is cheap.
    Einstein, "science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    This is indeed a thought worth examining.


    It does appear that NP starts a crap-load of threads about anything and all things gay.
    When he doesn't get the response he hopes for, he starts another thread and words it a bit differently.

    Maybe a mod can simply combine all NP gay threads into one, and place it down in the basement somewhere?
    That's my point. The threads he starts are his actions. I can only imagine what he has done in real life. I would have trouble believing that he doesn't disparage gay people in some way in real life as well.
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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I think we'd all be surprised how many people say they would allow their children to go to a camp with openly gay members but wouldn't.
    In today's society a lot of people say PC things but don't necessarily back up their convictions and vice versa. Talk is cheap.
    This is probably true.
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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I think we'd all be surprised how many people say they would allow their children to go to a camp with openly gay members but wouldn't.
    In today's society a lot of people say PC things but don't necessarily back up their convictions and vice versa. Talk is cheap.
    Why lie in a situation like this?
    One where you're basically anonymous and have little to nothing to gain or lose by telling the truth?

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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Why lie in a situation like this?
    One where you're basically anonymous and have little to nothing to gain or lose by telling the truth?
    I don't mean just here on the website. And the reason would be the same to seem more tolerant than you really are.
    Unless, you think that doesn't happen?
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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Is this a fair question ask? Supposed there is on openly homosexual Scoutmaster. The role itself makes being a mentor and a role model automatic. This Scoutmaster loves the kids and the kids look up to him. However, this Scoutmaster has a same sex significant other. The Scoutmaster would never molest or act in any inappropriate way toward the boys but occasionally his gay lover stops by Boy Scout meetings to maybe drop off something or get cash to buy the grocery store items for dinner after the meeting. When he does, as any married couple would do, he gives his gay lover a big hug and when he leaves a goodbye kiss in full view of the boys in his troop. Remember, the boys see him as a role model, look up to him and some want to pattern their lives after him.

    It just so happens that during the scouting years, boys become sexually aware. There is different research on the causes for sexual orientation, much of which could be driven by less than pure science and more by social agenda so I think its more than fair to say environmental factors especially those that are present when sexual awareness occurs for the first time might be at least a contributing factor in determining one's sexual orientation. Could therefore, impressionable young boys who are exposed to public displays of same sex romantic affection carried out by highly admired role model/leaders at the precise formative time in their lives when sexual awakening occurs be inadvertently "influenced" to pursue a homosexual life themselves even if no molestation ever occurred?
    That would not influence anyone, seeing someone be homosexual isn't going to make anyone of any age have a certain sexual orientation if so all children of gay couples would be gay.

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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    That would not influence anyone, seeing someone be homosexual isn't going to make anyone of any age have a certain sexual orientation if so all children of gay couples would be gay.
    I never implied each and every young person might be thusly influenced, only the possibility than some might. Every student in school doesn't want to grow up to be a teacher although all have teachers. However, some are made such a profound impact upon that a few follow in their footsteps.
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