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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    How exactly would a homosexual influence your child?
    Is this a fair question ask? Supposed there is on openly homosexual Scoutmaster. The role itself makes being a mentor and a role model automatic. This Scoutmaster loves the kids and the kids look up to him. However, this Scoutmaster has a same sex significant other. The Scoutmaster would never molest or act in any inappropriate way toward the boys but occasionally his gay lover stops by Boy Scout meetings to maybe drop off something or get cash to buy the grocery store items for dinner after the meeting. When he does, as any married couple would do, he gives his gay lover a big hug and when he leaves a goodbye kiss in full view of the boys in his troop. Remember, the boys see him as a role model, look up to him and some want to pattern their lives after him.

    It just so happens that during the scouting years, boys become sexually aware. There is different research on the causes for sexual orientation, much of which could be driven by less than pure science and more by social agenda so I think its more than fair to say environmental factors especially those that are present when sexual awareness occurs for the first time might be at least a contributing factor in determining one's sexual orientation. Could therefore, impressionable young boys who are exposed to public displays of same sex romantic affection carried out by highly admired role model/leaders at the precise formative time in their lives when sexual awakening occurs be inadvertently "influenced" to pursue a homosexual life themselves even if no molestation ever occurred?
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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Fortunately, we don't punish people for their thoughts. Navy Pride is not a bad person. He is just as entitled to be prejudiced against gays as you are to be prejudiced against people with blue eyes. It is actions that make a person bad . . . not thoughts. Prejudice comes from people judging other people. Perhaps we have a "physician, heal thyself" moment here.
    I'm sorry, I don't buy into the circular logic that says that I must tolerate intolerance or else I am intolerant. He has started dozens, if not hundreds of threads over the years about homosexuality. All of those threads were started with the premise that homosexuality is abnormal and unacceptable. He actively campaigns here against homosexuality when it has no effect on him. He has been informed that his position is wrong and he refuses to accept new information. He has hate in his heart. That's what motivates his "thoughts". That does make him a bad person in my book.

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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    In combination with my other post.

    THESE are bad people. These church goers:
    Yes, those are bad people. Are you trying to say that as long as you aren't as bad as WBC you are a good person?
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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Is this a fair question ask? Supposed there is on openly homosexual Scoutmaster. The role itself makes being a mentor and a role model automatic. This Scoutmaster loves the kids and the kids look up to him. However, this Scoutmaster has a same sex significant other. The Scoutmaster would never molest or act in any inappropriate way toward the boys but occasionally his gay lover stops by Boy Scout meetings to maybe drop off something or get cash to buy the grocery store items for dinner after the meeting. When he does, as any married couple would do, he gives his gay lover a big hug and when he leaves a goodbye kiss in full view of the boys in his troop. Remember, the boys see him as a role model, look up to him and some want to pattern their lives after him.

    It just so happens that during the scouting years, boys become sexually aware. There is different research on the causes for sexual orientation, much of which could be driven by less than pure science and more by social agenda so I think its more than fair to say environmental factors especially those that are present when sexual awareness occurs for the first time might be at least a contributing factor in determining one's sexual orientation. Could therefore, impressionable young boys who are exposed to public displays of same sex romantic affection carried out by highly admired role model/leaders at the precise formative time in their lives when sexual awakening occurs be inadvertently "influenced" to pursue a homosexual life themselves even if no molestation ever occurred?
    So what if kids want to pursue a homosexual life for themselves?

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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    Yes, those are bad people. Are you trying to say that as long as you aren't as bad as WBC you are a good person?
    No. I'm saying that a person is "bad," not for his thoughts, but for his actions. If you asked most males over 70, "Do you accept homosexuality?" I think you'd hear the majority of them saying, "Absolutely not." This is a major change in our culture. That you cannot see that makes you intolerant.

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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Could therefore, impressionable young boys who are exposed to public displays of same sex romantic affection carried out by highly admired role model/leaders at the precise formative time in their lives when sexual awakening occurs be inadvertently "influenced" to pursue a homosexual life themselves even if no molestation ever occurred?
    I grew up in South Florida around many gay adults. It did make me aware that if I were to be gay, that I would not be stoned and burned at the stake. However, it never made me the slightest bit curious about participating in homosexual acts. I just dig the chicks, it's how I am wired. Homosexuality as an orientation is not a choice and neither is heterosexuality.

    The farthest I would go with respect to choice is that I do believe that not everyone is either heterosexual or homosexual, some are attracted to both sexes, so these individuals might choose a monogamous relationship with one sex or the other.

    So no, I do not believe that one could be "influenced" to pursue a homosexual orientation, but I would hope that openly gay role models would allow younger people to recognize that if that is how they feel, they can be what they are without condemnation or shame.

    If the prevention of gay role models could prevent people from being gay, there would be no gay people, since most societies have carefully excluded any tolerance for the existence of these people and forced them to pretend not to be what they are. And yet, through all that, they still became what they were.

    We need to stop trying to prevent homosexuality and just let it be. Everyone should imagine that their child is gay and see how they feel about these ideas in that light.

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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Is this a fair question ask? Supposed there is on openly homosexual Scoutmaster. The role itself makes being a mentor and a role model automatic. This Scoutmaster loves the kids and the kids look up to him. However, this Scoutmaster has a same sex significant other. The Scoutmaster would never molest or act in any inappropriate way toward the boys but occasionally his gay lover stops by Boy Scout meetings to maybe drop off something or get cash to buy the grocery store items for dinner after the meeting. When he does, as any married couple would do, he gives his gay lover a big hug and when he leaves a goodbye kiss in full view of the boys in his troop. Remember, the boys see him as a role model, look up to him and some want to pattern their lives after him.

    It just so happens that during the scouting years, boys become sexually aware. There is different research on the causes for sexual orientation, much of which could be driven by less than pure science and more by social agenda so I think its more than fair to say environmental factors especially those that are present when sexual awareness occurs for the first time might be at least a contributing factor in determining one's sexual orientation. Could therefore, impressionable young boys who are exposed to public displays of same sex romantic affection carried out by highly admired role model/leaders at the precise formative time in their lives when sexual awakening occurs be inadvertently "influenced" to pursue a homosexual life themselves even if no molestation ever occurred?

    Holy hell...that's one fantastic imagination you got there. I was in scouts for years. Never once did any spouse, significant other, lover, one-night-stand or any other such "partner" stop by the scout meeting to get something.

    Geez....you really want to start playing "what if" games?

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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    If you asked most males over 70, "Do you accept homosexuality?" I think you'd hear the majority of them saying, "Absolutely not." This is a major change in our culture.
    This. Perfect. Sense.

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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Holy hell...that's one fantastic imagination you got there. I was in scouts for years. Never once did any spouse, significant other, lover, one-night-stand or any other such "partner" stop by the scout meeting to get something.

    Geez....you really want to start playing "what if" games?
    If I decided not to send my child to such a camp, it would be to protect him from normal, natural childhood curiosity...just like I would protect him in my basement with a friend of his. I wouldn't worry about the adults. I would worry about the professed gay 12- and 13-year-olds.
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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    As a parent of two daughters, I feel I've got MUCH MUCH more to fear from the "heterosexual world" than I do from the "homosexual world".

    For the life of me I can't figure out why people are so frightened by "gay".

    Every single one of the gay people I know are fantastically wonderful human beings, and some are great friends, while there are so many "straight" douche-bags and morons that I can't even begin to count them.

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