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Would you let your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19,1642]

Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members?

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Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

shrubnose said:
When you say "Someone like you", I am not getting your message.
You need to be a little more specific. Get just a little courage and say what you really mean, dude. I can handle it.
Put it out there so that everyone can know what kind of a lowlife loser you are.

BTW: keep spreading that hate and fear, it worked out great for the GOP last November, eh?

This is not Democrats vs. Republicans. It's thinking, feeling humans against the soulless lizard people on the far right, whose xenophobic. racist, bigoted, misogynist, homophobia is destroying the GOP. And that's really sad.


"What goes around, comes around."

Deal with it.
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Well this awesomely funny. Your accusation that NP is spreading hate and fear is sandwiched between calling him a "lowlife loser" and referring to the right as "soulless lizard people". :lol:
 
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MaggieD said:
I think that teenagers who are openly gay are liable to encourage others to join their ranks. Maybe that's wrong. But I'm coming from a place that says, "Teenagers are sometimes nutz. Some teens think it's really cool to be bi- or gay. And just as a teen shoplifter would encourage others to join their ranks? So might a gay guy."
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So openly gay teens are recruiters? How come openly straight teens don't try to recruit gay teens to their side?

MaggieD said:
Riddle me this: If my 10-year-old is manipulated to have guy-on-guy sex by a 14-year-old, how is that any less a traumatic experience than if it was an 18-year-old manipulating him?
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Who said anything about being less traumatic?

Your example here isn't about homosexuality. It's about pedophilia.

Riddle me this, when you were a 14 year old girl, did you try to manipulate 10 year old boys into sex? When you were a 10 year old girl did 14 year old boys try to manipulate you into sex? If the answer is yes to either of these questions, it is an age orientation issue, not a sex orientation issue.


MaggieD said:
Well, of course I wouldn't want my son to be gay. You say, "As if homosexuality was something you could be talked into." Do you think for one New York Minute that the boys molested by priests were all homosexual???
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So the truth comes out. You aren't worried about experimentation. You are worried about rape. Gays aren't rapists.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

CLAX1911 said:
The pope is the rock on which the church was built, Jesus says that himself in the Bible, so just because you don't understand the basic flaw in your own statement doesn't mean I am not Catholic.

I regarded the Bible on the position of the pope, so not only is you post vapid and imbecillic it makes no sense.
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The Pope is never mentioned by Jesus or the Bible.
 
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Navy Pride said:
Your right its not but the sex act outside of marriage is be you straight or gay...Its the worse sin.......Its a mortal sin. You have one of them on your soul your burn in hell.
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Which Commandment is that?
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
one study returned a percentage of .5% identifying as homosexual and the other 8.5% and mentioned "attraction", not experimentation.
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This is a direct quote: "As adolescents, about ten percent of the participants [in the study] had same sex encounters or desires, yet most of them were heterosexual adults"

Here's another one that explains this phenomenon in more detail:

huge changes in adolescent sexual orientation
 
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Navy Pride said:
Gay boys in a camp over could be a threat that I would not my children have to face,
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Can't help noticing you've now ignored my direct question on this point three different times. You cowardly avoiding addressing things that point out how irrational you are is, of course, to be expected.
 
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stonewall50 said:
This is a tough one. This is tough because I have been hearing some horror stories now. Mainly it is liability stuff (I am working with a lawyer as a school and looking and updating security/safety policies). There are some risks. I personally have nothing against gay people. It is an age thing really. Just like with any school...I would need to look at the camp I'm sending my child too. I want to make sure that they are not associating with older children (male or female). There are many factors. I have also had family subjected to one of the horror stories. It isn't just "gay kids" that do this though.

Bottom line. This is something the liberals will hate!!! They will call me anti-gay for this too. Of course they won't listen to my reasoning beyond the statement.

I don't want my child to be gay. It is that simple. Why? Because their life would be harder. Just like dating outside of your race can make life difficult. It is stupid. But it is true. Just like anyone with a child I wish that my child doesn't have to endure some of the stupid stuff in this world. I am dating interracial. I have dealt with some ridiculous stuff. My best friend's fiancé is white. Obviously he has had problems. But it is understood why his parents didnt like it at first. They got over it though. Sadly there are always those infrequent jerks. Anyway. That is my shpeel. M
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Dating someone of another race is a choice. If you love that person, then the problems caused by bigots can be overcome. You might even have a better idea who your friends really are, and who among them are racists.

Homosexuality is not a choice. Gay people are gay because of biology, not because they made a decision to be attracted to their own gender.

Not wanting you sons/daughters to be gay because their lives will be more difficult for it is all well and good, but what are you going to do about it? The best option is to help them to accept who they really are and not try to be something that they're not.
 
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Navy Pride said:
OK I reworded my post and I apologize if I offended anyone with my last poll.......I am and old country boy and sometimes the meaning is not what I meant....I really would like to know how the members of the forum feel about this issue.
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I look at it this way.

If my son or daughter want to go to a camp of any kind that had members there that were homosexual, I couldn't care less. Here's the thing. I love my children unconditionally and I am a firm believer that whatever their sexual orientation is, it isn't something they would "choose" anyway. I didn't "choose" to be heterosexual. I didn't sit in my bedroom one day and think, "Hmm. Okay. I really like boys, so I think I'm choosing to be 'straight'."

I am what I am, and no amount of being around others who are different than I am, is going to change that.

Of course, I am speaking about sexual orientation and not sexual deviancy, which I think would be a whole other topic. If you're asking if I'd send my children to a "nudist anything goes" camp, then no. I wouldn't.

Unfortunately, I don't think a lot of people have this kind of separation in mind when they think of "gay" people. Are you of the thought that people would be running around naked trying to "convert" the hetero children? If so - I believe that is a personal issue and has nothing to do with heterosexuality or homosexuality.
 
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shrubnose said:
What makes you believe that people don't have a choice? Who told you that? That person lied to you. In the USA you do have a choice. No one can tell you what to believe.

Anyone who really believes that they don't have a choice as to what to believe or not believe about anything in the USA has my profound sympathy.

One of the reasons that people left Europe hundreds of years ago and came to America was so that they would have a choice.

A war was fought over this, and freedom of choice won.


Right now, a lot of people in the GOP would like to take that freedom of choice away from you and others.

Ain't going to happen.

Wait and see.
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You misunderstood me. I meant that generally what you believe is not a choice. I'd rather not believe in disease and death, but the evidence of them forces me to. If the evidence pointed me toward Catholicism I couldn't choose not to believe in it. It isn't a willful choice.
 
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Adagio said:
I'm sure they would. But that would just confirm their own delusions. A delusion is a belief held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary. I'd say a lot of conservatives are pretty delusional. Look how many thought Romney had the election won by a landslide. They tend to believe what they want to believe despite all evidence to the contrary.
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I don't know what you mean by evidence to the contrary, are you speaking of the evidence it all of totality magically poofed into existence for no real reason. that believe has less evidence. far less superior evidence.

and when you say all conservatives are deluded do you know this because you're clairvoyant are you know every conservative in the world. I knew the dictator would win again. most conservatives didn't think the American people would be stupid enough to elect that moron again.

but just like the Conservatives I spoke to in here you just lump everybody in to group that has the slightest different opinion you.

I've never seen any evidence for Less superior residence
 
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Thorgasm said:
The Pope is never mentioned by Jesus or the Bible.
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the term pope wasn't, you are correct. Jesus did say to Peter who is his disciple that he is the rock on which the church was to be built. the first pope was Peter.
 
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I generally wouldn't have a problem with it.

Now I'm not a father, nor do I plan on having kids, but frankly the only cause for concern for me would be if the camp had a negative reputation. And that wouldn't be just a gay issue, we all know straight people are capable of some pretty disgusting acts.

So no, the orientation wouldn't be a problem for me.
 
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Thorgasm said:
Which Commandment is that?
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he didn't even realize what he did here. is anybody says " you do such and such you going to burn in hell." that's casting final judgement God is the only one who can say that.

I've proved repeatedly that NP doesn't know the first thing about the Bible. he's just a good little Catholic drone
 
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X Factor said:
Well this awesomely funny. Your accusation that NP is spreading hate and fear is sandwiched between calling him a "lowlife loser" and referring to the right as "soulless lizard people". :lol:
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Yet another product of the U.S. public school system with poor reading skills

Go back and take another look at the post you referred to. Look long. Look hard.

Now do you see that I did not say "the right", I said "the far right'.

Big difference.

I have never referred to those on the right as `soulless lizard people', only those on the 'far right' who are, in fact, `soulless lizard people'.

Now do you get it?


"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time GOP, or for the soulless lizard people on the far right who are pushing it farther to the right.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Redress said:
Hint: many straight people experiment with the same sex. It happens. Alot.
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Never heard of it. To me the very thought of having sex with another male is one the most disgusting things I have ever heard....I am sure boys experiment with girls and vice versa and there may be rare cases of same sex gender but they are rare.
 
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Adagio said:
Why is it not a choice? Whatever happened to Free Will? I don't really think that's true at all. And if it were...it would be the worst possible indictment against Catholicism I could imagine. Who could subscribe to that kind of mind control. The idea of actually controlling what people think is pretty repugnant.
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Its very hard to be a good Catholi....The precepts of the church are very strict.
 
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Navy Pride said:
Never heard of it. To me the very thought of having sex with another male is one the most disgusting things I have ever heard....I am sure boys experiment with girls and vice versa and there may be rare cases of same sex gender but they are rare.
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Wrong as usual. I posted some links about this a couple of pages back. I'd repost them for you but I'm pretty sure you'll ignore them either way.
 
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shrubnose said:
When you say "Someone like you", I am not getting your message.
You need to be a little more specific. Get just a little courage and say what you really mean, dude. I can handle it.
Put it out there so that everyone can know what kind of a lowlife loser you are.

BTW: keep spreading that hate and fear, it worked out great for the GOP last November, eh?

This is not Democrats vs. Republicans. It's thinking, feeling humans against the soulless lizard people on the far right, whose xenophobic. racist, bigoted, misogynist, homophobia is destroying the GOP. And that's really sad.


"What goes around, comes around."

Deal with it.
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everything you say is a huge rambling stretch jumping from subject to subject.
 
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Navy Pride said:
To me the very thought of having sex with another male is one the most disgusting things I have ever heard....
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What if it's a male panda?
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

CLAX1911 said:
the term pope wasn't, you are correct. Jesus did say to Peter who is his disciple that he is the rock on which the church was to be built. the first pope was Peter.
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That was about Peter. Jesus didn't call for the position of Pope.
 
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Navy Pride said:
Never heard of it. To me the very thought of having sex with another male is one the most disgusting things I have ever heard....I am sure boys experiment with girls and vice versa and there may be rare cases of same sex gender but they are rare.
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How naive can you possibly be? It is not at all rare among adolescents.
 
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Navy Pride said:
Never heard of it. To me the very thought of having sex with another male is one the most disgusting things I have ever heard....
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You sure do talk about it alot.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
Dating someone of another race is a choice. If you love that person, then the problems caused by bigots can be overcome. You might even have a better idea who your friends really are, and who among them are racists.

Homosexuality is not a choice. Gay people are gay because of biology, not because they made a decision to be attracted to their own gender.

Not wanting you sons/daughters to be gay because their lives will be more difficult for it is all well and good, but what are you going to do about it? The best option is to help them to accept who they really are and not try to be something that they're not.
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What you say is very open for debate. In truth no one really knows....I believe it is a choice because there are many documented cases of people changing marrying and having families.
 
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