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Would you let your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19,1642]

Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members?

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Navy Pride said:
Wow 26-4 that is pretty decisive I wonder if all you lefties actually had to make that decision what you would do.
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Uh, probably exactly what we said we'd do in the poll?
 
Okpulot Taha said:
Navy Pride is curious yellow, "Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members?"

Your wording is problematic and I doubt you will find wording which is not contentious to at least some. Your hot button word is "openly" which is suggestive.

Over in Pelosi led San Francisco, "openly" gay makes for good pornography movies, right out there in the streets. Should you attend a Pelosi "leather parade", well, wear dark shades, wear a raincoat and don't take your kids!

At a camp, a retreat, a shoreline picnic, this "openly" notion is not so volatile. Couple of boys holding hands, couple of girls kissing, this is not a problem and is not the business of others. My view is what others do, while appropriate public behavior, is simply the business of none. Your circumstances could easily be reversed.

During a gay parade in Los Angeles, where gays and lesbians keep their clothes on and respect others, you and your family would be the oddballs. I might ask those of the gay and lesbian community, "Would you take your children to an event where there are openly straight people?" I have a hunch you and your family would be welcomed, especially your children who would delight in this L.A. colorful parade which is televised, and never any law enforcement problems.

A more challenging reversal for you, Navy Pride, is naked truth. Three of us in our small family are nudists. We love attending nudist resorts, beaches and planned activities, lots of friendship and fun! Challenge for you is this nudist lifestyle is popular with all ages of people, from grandma to granddaughter. This is adults and children, all naked and enjoying fun. There are some mixed in who wear clothes or partial clothing. None really care. Would you take your kids to a camp where families are openly nude?

Reminds me of our girl. She makes a friend at a resort, a young girl like herself. Her new friend is shy and wearing clothes, well, a swimsuit. Our girl is nude. Our daughter takes her friend's hand, pulls her friend into a locker room. Not long, out those two come, both nude, and they jump right into a swimming pool with lots of other nude people. Had to drag both out of this pool after a couple of hours; they looked like wrinkled up prunes hollering, "Marco", "Polo" followed by grins and giggles.

Our girl made a new friend for life, her new friend never wore clothes again at this resort and enjoyed loads of fun!

Navy Pride, is being straight or gay, being clothed or nude, is this a measure of a person's worth? Of course not. What you are working at is imposing Christian moral values upon others which is wrong headed. Last time Christians got all crazy about their moral values, they slaughtered twenty-five-million of my peoples, men, women and children alike.

Moral values are personal, not public. Your moral values are not my business, nor are moral values of others your business.

Okpulot Taha - Choctaw Nation
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Hmmmm, pretty sure I wouldn't want my kid to be cajoled into taking off her swimsuit if she didn't want to and I'm sorry, I wouldn't have my kid hang out with a bunch of naked adults.
 
Just another dispicable thread started by NP. It gets tiresome.
 
joko104 said:
Just another dispicable thread started by NP. It gets tiresome.
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I don't know . . . it's given me pause. My first reaction was, It wouldn't make any difference." My second thought was, "It just might." I voted with the majority, but there'd be more to my decision than that.
 
Navy Pride said:
Wow 26-4 that is pretty decisive I wonder if all you lefties actually had to make that decision what you would do.
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Not everyone who answered the poll is a "lefty". I'm genuinely curious, NP. Do you know any gay people?
 
Yep, no reason not too.

Hell my kids would probably be weirded out by the kids with straight parents :lol:
 
And, of course, the constant double standard for all of these homophobic ideas. No one is ever concerned about lesbians. Only gay males. The question is not "would you allow your child", but only your son. Further proof that, under it all, homophobia is just insecurity about strange penises.
 
Overall - I think it's tragic that adults prefer to raise their children to make snap, harsh and even false judgement of people based on rumors and glib one-liners through the grapevine.

I was at least raised to try to get to know someone, first, before deciding if they're decent or not.

Maybe I ask - just what is wrong with said gay individual? I don't even get the issue at all - is it the child possibly learning that some people are attracted to the same sex? Or the fear that their child will be raped?

You cannot hide your children in a box for their whole lives - they will learn that some people are homosexual. They will learn about sex, too - and fellatio and cunnilingus. They will learn about violence, twisted depraved individuals who murder children and all sorts of crazed things in the world. Nothing you say or do will 'protect' them from life.

So - obvious the fear that being gay makes you a child molester has been hashed out time and again and we always conclude and prove that there's no correlation and a child is more likely to be violated by someone of the opposite gender - who is close in some fashion to the family/child.
 
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joko104 said:
Just another dispicable thread started by NP. It gets tiresome.
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I don't mind the question so much if he was genuinely curious and somewhat willing to consider the responses.
 
Navy Pride said:
Wow 26-4 that is pretty decisive I wonder if all you lefties actually had to make that decision what you would do.
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Oh for gods sake NP...why would you make a poll if the only result you are really going to believe is the one that isn't going to happen? It's the 21st century. Most people know gay people. They are just like the rest of us.
 
X Factor rubs his chin and thinks, "Hmmmm"

You misspelled "hoplologist".

Okpulot Taha - Choctaw Nation
 
MaggieD said:
I completely understand this poster's concern. I wouldn't be concerned it would "turn my son gay." I'd be concerned it would end up a haunting experience for him if he made the wrong choice. That's a mom's job -- to protect her kids from those things that might be emotionally damaging to them. I wouldn't trust an eight- or ten-year-old with that decision.
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Well I've got a number of gay friends, many of them raising children. What I have found is the children IMO are much more balanced than most kids. I've also known and dated a couple of girls raised by gay parents, again the same.

One thing I can tell you also is not a single one of the children I've known raised by gay parents are gay. So the paranoia while I have sympathy for is unfounded. With the statistic's out there children are at greater risk going to church sponsored events. That just isn't the molestation factor, it's the hell fire and brimstone and guilt trips that are peddled.
 
Okpulot Taha said:
X Factor rubs his chin and thinks, "Hmmmm"

You misspelled "hoplologist".

Okpulot Taha - Choctaw Nation
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Hoplopologist is a word I made up. "Hoplon" = weapons or arms. The rest should be self explanatory.
 
If my child were gay, I would want him or her to realize that as soon as possible and not suffer any angst about it. It would be fine with me. Now that the gay are about to finally achieve equality, it would be the perfect time.

So, I guess I like the exposure the camp might provide. Heterosexuals tend to remain heterosexuals.
 
MaggieD said:
I don't know . . . it's given me pause. My first reaction was, It wouldn't make any difference." My second thought was, "It just might." I voted with the majority, but there'd be more to my decision than that.
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I would be more concerned of an adoloscent child of mine attending a co-ed camp than one where there were some gay kids - since I am fairly confident that any collection of kids (or adults) is going to have a few who are gay (or bi) anyway. It's almost more like asking would you let your child go a camp unless everyone was openly straight - and then I would wonder how they know that and it would sound too much like a sex-commune thing if they determined sexual orientations of the kids first.

BUT, what I DO agree with you is on this: PARENTS SHOULD STOP, PAUSE AND CONSIDER EVERYTHING - particular when their children are under someone else's control and supervision. Even if very politically incorrect ponderings.
 
Navy Pride said:
Wow 26-4 that is pretty decisive I wonder if all you lefties actually had to make that decision what you would do.
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I openly associate with openly gay people. I can assure you that gaydom is not contagious. Unless we're talking about gay vampires.
 
Navy Pride said:
OK I reworded my post and I apologize if I offended anyone with my last poll.......I am and old country boy and sometimes the meaning is not what I meant....I really would like to know how the members of the forum feel about this issue.
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of course there would be no logical, educated or non-bigoted reason not to with the info you provided.
Why on gods earth would it matter if there were openly gay members there?
 
X Factor scratches his noggin, "Hoplopologist is a word I made up."

My presumption is you combined "hoplologist" with "apologist" suggesting you apologize for weapons. This is inconsistent with labeling yourself "leaning conservative" and more consistent with Obama's "world apology tour". Are you a closet Obama voter?

Okpulot Taha - Choctaw Nation
 
I would rather send my son to a camp with girls.
 
Navy Pride said:
OK I reworded my post and I apologize if I offended anyone with my last poll.......I am and old country boy and sometimes the meaning is not what I meant....I really would like to know how the members of the forum feel about this issue.
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I think the percentage of openly gay campers would probably be very small compared to the number of straight campers. You can't "catch the gay". It's not contagious. Most likely the kids are there to go camping and not to seduce another kid. I might have more concerns sending my kid to Jesus Camp where the chances are just as good that the councelors might be closet queens praying ( no pun intended) on unsuspecting kids.
 
Okpulot Taha said:
X Factor scratches his noggin, "Hoplopologist is a word I made up."

My presumption is you combined "hoplologist" with "apologist" suggesting you apologize for weapons. This is inconsistent with labeling yourself "leaning conservative" and more consistent with Obama's "world apology tour". Are you a closet Obama voter?

Okpulot Taha - Choctaw Nation
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Your presumption is close enough. The term "apologist" is widely misunderstood, though, so much so that some intend or take offense by the term. It doesn't mean to apologize for (which implies there is some wrong to be apologized for), it's defined as "one who speaks or writes in defense of someone or something".

I am squarely in the conservative camp (despite what you might see from the OP).
 
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