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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Perhaps the real question is "would you let your son go camping with a social conservative?" After looking at guys like Jerry Sandusky, Rick Santorum, and the countless clergy out there who preached conservative moral values only to turn around and molest little boys, I'd have to say I wouldn't feel comfortable letting my son go out in the woods with someone from that crowd.

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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    Jesus said himself that there are two commandments, love your fellow man, and love God.that really sums up all ten commandments. Nothing in that about "don't be gay" nothing really in the Bible says against it specifically.

    Christians use it as a form of"negative piety" pretending to be holier than the gay people makes them think they are closer to God.
    You seem to be using the term "Christians" rather loosely. I am a Christian and clearly stated in my post that I am a sinner and am no better than any other sinner, including gays, in that respect. I think you may be suprised to find that many, many Christians do not harbor a "holier than thou" mentality.

    Also, I must point out that the ten commandments were the summation of Mosaic Law and Christians adhere to a Gospel that includes much more than that alone. The Gospel of Christ, as laid out in the New Testament, becomes the basis of how a true Christian should live his/her life.

    Based on Christ's fundamental doctrine of faithfulness and salvation, the original disciples and the Apostle Paul in building Christ's church, continued to show/teach the Faithful, in great detail, how to live a Christ-centered existence.
    In their teachings, we do indeed find that homosexuality is in contradiction to God's plan for us and therefore, is sinful. So, in that respect, I would disagree with your contention that God's Word does not find disagreement with "being gay".
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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    Based on Christ's fundamental doctrine of faithfulness and salvation, the original disciples and the Apostle Paul in building Christ's church, continued to show/teach the Faithful, in great detail, how to live a Christ-centered existence.
    In their teachings, we do indeed find that homosexuality is in contradiction to God's plan for us and therefore, is sinful. So, in that respect, I would disagree with your contention that God's Word does not find disagreement with "being gay".
    No, actually we don't, read carefully.

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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    You seem to be using the term "Christians" rather loosely. I am a Christian and clearly stated in my post that I am a sinner and am no better than any other sinner, including gays, in that respect. I think you may be suprised to find that many, many Christians do not harbor a "holier than thou" mentality.

    Also, I must point out that the ten commandments were the summation of Mosaic Law and Christians adhere to a Gospel that includes much more than that alone. The Gospel of Christ, as laid out in the New Testament, becomes the basis of how a true Christian should live his/her life.

    Based on Christ's fundamental doctrine of faithfulness and salvation, the original disciples and the Apostle Paul in building Christ's church, continued to show/teach the Faithful, in great detail, how to live a Christ-centered existence.
    In their teachings, we do indeed find that homosexuality is in contradiction to God's plan for us and therefore, is sinful. So, in that respect, I would disagree with your contention that God's Word does not find disagreement with "being gay".
    "Salvation", now thgat's an interesting word. IMO, it gives people the right to sin without going to hell. How convienent.

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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    No, actually we don't, read carefully.
    Yes, actually WE do, and I have.....many times, from many different translations.....
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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    "Salvation", now thgat's an interesting word. IMO, it gives people the right to sin without going to hell. How convienent.
    I think that many, perhaps even you, my "privately leaning" friend ...............seem to be using the wrong connotation of "sin". For Christians........sin is "separation" from God.
    My point being.....for those of us who willingly have Christ at the very center of who we are and God's Holy spirit with us........we would obviously not want to be separated from Him.

    The worldly view of "sin" is that it is all of the "bad" things or the "fun" things which are against the "rules" of the Big Boss. That simply just isn't always the case. To a Christian......sin of the heart (or mind) is still sin.
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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    I think that many, perhaps even you, my "privately leaning" friend ...............seem to be using the wrong connotation of "sin". For Christians........sin is "separation" from God.
    My point being.....for those of us who willingly have Christ at the very center of who we are and God's Holy spirit with us........we would obviously not want to be separated from Him.

    The worldly view of "sin" is that it is all of the "bad" things or the "fun" things which are against the "rules" of the Big Boss. That simply just isn't always the case. To a Christian......sin of the heart (or mind) is still sin.
    Then hell is gping to have a full house of church people.

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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Then hell is gping to have a full house of church people.
    With this, I must agree my friend. Even Christ himself tells us that "the Way is difficult, and narrow is the Gate" that leads to Life and "very few will find it."

    This passage should be a big wake-up call to many so-called people of faith.......but sadly, many seem to overlook it and prefer instead to rely on their own understandings...........selfish pride.........it's at the root of all sin.
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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    "Salvation", now thgat's an interesting word. IMO, it gives people the right to sin without going to hell. How convienent.
    Since we're all sinners, we'd all go to Hell without it wouldn't we?
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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Since we're all sinners, we'd all go to Hell without it wouldn't we?
    Uhhhhhh....no...IMHO, of course. I'm staying in Texas, which runs a close 2nd to hell with Perry as governor.

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