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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I see your point, I just disagree. I believe that whatever sex someone is drawn to, regardless of age, determines their sexual orientation. If we're going the route you are, we are getting into the slippery slope of saying that pedophilia is a legitimate sexual orientation. We both agree that we don't want that I think.
    Recognizing it as distinct from mature sexual orientations doesn't legitimize it. If anything pointing out that legitimate sexual orientations are entirely distinguishable from pedophilia makes it more clear that it's an aberration.

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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    You take a bigger chance by putting them in a camp or a church with closeted supposedly "straight" gay men than you ever would by putting them in a camp where someone is honest about their sexual orientation. That's the ironic part of your ignorance is bliss ideal.
    That is not the topic of the thread. If you want to make a thread with that as the topic go for it but don't hijack this one.......thanks.
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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Again, you miss the point. This is getting to be a real chore here. I will guard my son from all sin. I will not discriminate against certain kinds of sin. Do you get it now?
    What you guard your son against a member of a group who happened to drink? Would you guard yourself against a member of a group who cheated on their significant other? Would your guard your son against someone who lied?

    Etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.

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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Again, you miss the point. This is getting to be a real chore here. I will guard my son from all sin. I will not discriminate against certain kinds of sin. Do you get it now?


    We don't agree on much but I am onboard with you on this one.....He will never get it.....He has a closed mind on the issue.
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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Again, you miss the point. This is getting to be a real chore here. I will guard my son from all sin. I will not discriminate against certain kinds of sin. Do you get it now?
    That's fine. You don't have to enroll him in BSoA, or let him go to prom, or watch Rocky Horror Picture Show. More power to you.
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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Since when are people guilty before they even commit the crime?

    We are worried about gays in the scouts because they MIGHT be child molesters? How bout CONVICTING them of child molestation, first, THEN going about worrying if they are boy scout material?

    And besides, the scouts are dying. And it's not gays that are doing it, nor child molesters. It's over protective parents, who think litigation is in order for every skinned knee of scuffed chin.

    Oddly enough, a large portion of the anti gay, anti child molestation crowd...up north at least....




    ARE CATHOLICS.




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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That's fine. You don't have to enroll him in BSoA, or let him go to prom, or watch Rocky Horror Picture Show. More power to you.
    Ah....the sexual transexual...hide the kids, lock the DOORS!!!!!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    What you guard your son against a member of a group who happened to drink?
    If that person overindulged yes.
    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    Would you guard yourself against a member of a group who cheated on their significant other?
    I am a different story. I'm not a child.
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    Would your guard your son against someone who lied?
    Yes, if they repeatedly did it without remorse.
    Can we stop playing the Green Eggs and Ham game now? This is ridiculous and you know it. If you don't guard your kid (if you have any) against things, fine. I do. Leave it be.
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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That's fine. You don't have to enroll him in BSoA, or let him go to prom, or watch Rocky Horror Picture Show. More power to you.
    Thank you.
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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    That's impossible.
    I don't know if you have kids, I just became a father of a teenager just over a year ago. So I don't think of myself as an expert. The teen I took in isn't my blood relation, but I love him as though he was mine.

    You know you are going to loose, when trying to protect you're kids from the world, but saving them for that moment, preserving their innocents, because you cherish it, because you know you do not have it any more. You love the innocents of your child.

    I can't speak for MTP, I am sure his kids are his own, he got to see them as little babies, if they are adults now he still sees those babies. He always will to some extent. But add I said I took in a teenager, he has been disillusioned by the vicious world we live in, particularly his parents telling him to get out and never come back. He hurts over that, but it hurts me to see him in pain, his sin is my sin his pain is my pain, but that isn't all, his sin and pain is my failing him.

    Again I can't speak for MTP, how he feels his duty to his kids is being fulfilled, I don't know what its like to take the first steps with my kid, or the inevitable triumphs he has. But I can say that the desire to give a better world to your kids is a futile endeavor worth every second. My life changed the moment Chris came into it, I took on new debts, Evan and I gave up our private home, our priorities changed. I know its a cliche, but I never knew what I was missing. After all what is a life for?

    So again I do not agree with MTP, about homosexuality being a sin, but as a man who has but a tiny taste of father hood I understand completely his desire to protect his kids.

    I can't snide by the give up principal. With a broken child in my care I would do anything to undo three pain he feels. Even if it meant he would go back to his parents, my heart would break, I really love him, having him in or home, but I would give that up if I could undo the pain that his family did him.

    That is what you do for your kids. I can't imagine that being any less by having raised a kid from an infant.

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