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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    A lot of things that we as humans strive to do are impossible. But we don't stop trying. It's impossible to elect a gov't full of officials into office who will be responsible, but we keep trying. It's impossible for police officers to catch every criminal, but they try. And as far as my faith, I know I can never be perfect. But I will try and I will never stop trying.
    Answer me this. Does everyone sin? Do you not sin?

    How would you even go about protecting your son from "all sin"?

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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Quite probably not, and that has nothing to do with PC crap:

    "The distinction between a victim's gender and a perpetrator's sexual orientation is important because many child molesters don't really have an adult sexual orientation. They have never developed the capacity for mature sexual relationships with other adults, either men or women. Instead, their sexual attractions focus on children – boys, girls, or children of both sexes. ... For the present discussion, the important point is that many child molesters cannot be meaningfully described as homosexuals, heterosexuals, or bisexuals (in the usual sense of those terms) because they are not really capable of a relationship with an adult man or woman. Instead of gender, their sexual attractions are based primarily on age. These individuals – who are often characterized as fixated – are attracted to children, not to men or women."

    -http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html
    I have not personally heard of a child molestor who equally targets boys or girls. It's almost always overwhelmingly one sex. If there is one, I believe him to be an anachronism. Once again, before you attempt to do what others have. I'm not painting gays as all dangerous towards children. All I'm saying is that a person who has sex or an attraction to the same sex, no matter the age, is gay IMO.
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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    Answer me this. Does everyone sin? Do you not sin?

    How would you even go about protecting your son from "all sin"?
    Yep, I sin. And I didn't say I would be able to protect him from all sin in the context you are taking it. I meant it as all sin that can be committed. Not all sin that will be committed.
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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I don't know. maybe nothing but I would never take a chance with my sons at 11 years old.
    I have 2 young kids myself, a daughter and a son, and we use common sense.

    People's actions are based upon their morals, not their sexual orientation.

    We have never had babysitters due to our dedication to our kids.

    The only folks who have ever watched our kids are the couple down the street, who are our close friends.

    One is a Nurse Practitioner, the other is an RN, and yes, they are both female, and a couple.

    We never have had any reason to worry, as both are fantastic people.

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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Yep, I sin. And I didn't say I would be able to protect him from all sin in the context you are taking it. I meant it as all sin that can be committed. Not all sin that will be committed.
    You want to protect him against "all sin that can be committed"? There is a lot of sin that CAN and WILL be committed everywhere.

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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I have not personally heard of a child molestor who equally targets boys or girls. It's almost always overwhelmingly one sex. If there is one, I believe him to be an anachronism. Once again, before you attempt to do what others have. I'm not painting gays as all dangerous towards children. All I'm saying is that a person who has sex or an attraction to the same sex, no matter the age, is gay IMO.
    Okay, but that's not what the term means according to psychologists. If one is solely attracted to children (of either gender) one is not meaningfully gay, straight, or bisexual. All three of those orientations by definition require some relatively mature attraction to post-pubescent individuals of one or more genders. You will also find quite a lot of pedophiles who are, for instance sexually attracted to male children, but also capable of sexual desire for adult females, but have absolutely no interest whatsoever in adult males. Can someone who isn't attracted to men meaningfully be considered homosexual? See my point?

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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    There is your original attack on my faith and the way I raise my son. So, take that for what's it worth and your apology is accepted for whatever it is you apologized for.

    So, at the very least, a man who molests a boy is bisexual, correct? I'm not trying paint gay people as some sort of big scary monster that we should all be afraid of. That's not my point. My point is that we need to get through this PC crap of not all men that molest boys are gay. If someone has sex or sexual relations with someone of the same sex as them (no matter the age) and it is their preferred orientation, then doesn't that make a person gay?
    My reason for shielding my son from any sort of sin is that it is my job to do so as a Christian parent. This particular question was of keeping my son away from a camp that I know has gay men as counselors. If the poll question had been "Would you allow your teenage son to go to a party where you know drugs are being abused?" I would have said the same thing. Or, if the name of the poll had been "Would you allow your son to go to a movie with curse words in it?" again I would have said no. It's not about just shielding my son from gay people. It's about shielding him from all sin. Being gay is a sin according to my faith, therefore I guard him from it.
    if someone molests a child they are a pedofile. the gender of the child is a no real concern, Burke on the pedophile who molests a boy gay, is calling the boy gay. I don't think it's a sexuality question when a child is molested. to validate the attackers violent act is an expression of his sexuality seems to cut against everything.

    most men who molest boys, are heterosexual, they have wives or girlfriends, they identify as heterosexual so no they wouldn't be gay. sexuality is based on who your attracted to, not who your victims are.

    it is your prerogative what you protect your son from, I don't believe homosexuality is a sin, but you're free to believe that. when kids are involved parents typically know best.

    I work with survivors I am a survivor, sexual abuse isn't sex it's an attack. the children I have worked with, took a lot from me from the doctors and from there parents to understand that's sexual abuse isn't sex. boys who are abused by men don't want it to be classified as a sexual act, frankly it isn't, it is an assault using genitals. A man punching a man in the face is as homosexual as a man abusing a boy.

    You are thinking that it is about sex.because the manner of abuse has some similarities. A man putting cigarettes out on a boys arm makes neither party gay, even though sometimes that is part of sexual gratification between consenting adults. A man tieing up a boy isn't gay even though that is something that is part of sexual gratification, same with strangling and anything else.

    A man raping a boy isn't sex, its rape, just because the acts between the boy and man are similar to continual sex between two gay men doesn't make it sex. rape isn't sex, sex isn't rape.

    As far as your boy not being around sin, I will give in here, gay men shouldn't be telling other peoples children that they'er gay. So the gay man around children should respect that, its not stones business but the parent to decide what is or isn't a good opinion to have on gay people.

    I would never tell children that I am bisexual or what that means unless they are my own.

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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    You want to protect him against "all sin that can be committed"? There is a lot of sin that CAN and WILL be committed everywhere.
    I got to side with MTP here, I don't agree that it is a sin, but I agree that its his job to protect his boy. I care for a boy, he is my lovers youngest brother, he was 13 when he came to live with us. I protect him from the things I know he will do, but it is about me being the example.

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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    I got to side with MTP here, I don't agree that it is a sin, but I agree that its his job to protect his boy. I care for a boy, he is my lovers youngest brother, he was 13 when he came to live with us. I protect him from the things I know he will do, but it is about me being the example.
    It would be my job to protect my kid as well. However, I don't think homosexuals are people I need to protect him from.

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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    It would be my job to protect my kid as well. However, I don't think homosexuals are people I need to protect him from.
    Me either, but that isn't my interpretation of morals. I wish folks would understand my interpretation, but further than that, I hope MTP loves his boys and all parents love their kids even if they are gay.

    I wasn't exposed to gay men growing up, not sure that has any Bering on sexuality. Latest research says its epigenetic.

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