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Would you let your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19,1642]

Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members?

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Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Navy Pride said:
We had no cottages at our camp and the tents were made for 4 people, many times they had 5 or 6 but you can believe what you want.
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Oh, I'm sorry. I was in a troop that actually did things other then drive to cabins in their cars.

Actual Boy Scouts don't stay in 4 person tents for obvious logistical reasons.

Philmont says that if Navy Pride was a BS, he was in BS in the early 19th century.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Dude. You were in the NAVY. You without a sliver of doubt bunked with gay men. Lots of them. What is up with you on this issue?
 
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Navy Pride said:
Openly gay scoutmasters?

That my become legal tomorrow but its not now.
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Well the State where you live now recognizes gay marriages. And it didn't fall off the ends of the Earth!
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

My suspicion is that he probably got some action on the side in the Navy, and now "the lady doth protest too much".
 
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Navy Pride said:
Openly gay scoutmasters?

That my become legal tomorrow but its not now.
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uhm, no its LEGAL today, just like it was yesterday
 
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winston53660 said:
Well the State where you live now recognizes gay marriages. And it didn't fall off the ends of the Earth!
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Nice try but totally different situation..........sorry
 
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winston53660 said:
Well the State where you live now recognizes gay marriages. And it didn't fall off the ends of the Earth!
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Winston, are you insinuating that being gay IS NOT CONTAGIOUS?
 
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Navy Pride said:
Nice try but totally different situation..........sorry
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How is that different?

You clearly believe that societal acceptance of homosexuality is going to be a huge problem for society leading to all sorts of terrible outcomes.

Gay marriage in Washington has basically changed nothing. So why will gay scouts change anything?

As the BSA hasn't changed much from its two decades of sanctioned pedophilia, homosexuality is hardly a concern against that.
 
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Navy Pride said:
Nice try but totally different situation..........sorry
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What difference?
 
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Sherman123 said:
Dude. You were in the NAVY. You without a sliver of doubt bunked with gay men. Lots of them. What is up with you on this issue?
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And I witnessed many a courtmartial of gays for making unwanted advances against straights.......There were gay guys in the closet I shared a berthing compartment with....That is where they mostly got caught.
 
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winston53660 said:
What difference?
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It's imaginary.

BSA has as much to fear from homosexuals as it does from Tribbles.

Frankly, their whole morally straight went out the window the first time they moved a pedophile to hide him from police. The next two decades of that didn't help.
 
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Navy Pride said:
And I witnessed many a courtmartial of gays for making unwanted advances against straights.......There were gay guys in the closet I shared a berthing compartment with....That is where they mostly got caught.
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So you now admit to sleeping with gay men.
 
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I haven't read every post, but has anybody pointed out that being gay isn't the same thing as being a pedophile?

Somehow I sense that somebody might be confusing the two.

Like in the Catholic Church...there's more of an issue related to pedophiles than gays. And as far as I know, a very similar problem exist inside the Boy Scouts.

I'm personally not familiar with problems associated with gays in the Boy Scouts ever being genuine problem.
 
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Navy Pride said:
Getting married has nothing to do with gay sccouts serving openly.
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So gay married parents who have children whose children want to participate in scouting and the gay married parents can not participate? Is it even okay if these kids of gay married couples participate?
 
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winston53660 said:
So gay married parents who have children whose children want to participate in scouting and the gay married parents can not participate? Is it even okay if these kids of gay married couples participate?
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Nothing wrong with a child whose step fathers are gay attending camp as long as there are no gays serving openly
 
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Removable Mind said:
I haven't read every post, but has anybody pointed out that being gay isn't the same thing as being a pedophile?
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Wouldn't be the first time. Navy is pretending that pedophiles aren't overwhelmingly straight males because it hurts his argument.

Somehow I sense that somebody might be confusing the two.

Like in the Catholic Church...there's more of an issue related to pedophiles than gays. And as far as I know, a very similar problem exist inside the Boy Scouts.
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Indeed. The BSA is pretty outrageous to deny otherwise qualified people to be in Boy Scouts purely because they were gay when they had two decades of essentially sanctioned pedophilia.

I'm personally not familiar with problems associated with gays in the Boy Scouts ever being genuine problem.
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That's because there aren't problems. I know my troop had at least a few gays when I was in it. Didn't bother me. Didn't bother the adults who sat on their Eagle boards.

What bothered me was scouts who didn't pull their own weight on camps. Not cleaning, not being ready to go, lagging behind, not properly putting things away safely, that **** is far more of a concern then the fact that you aren't a taco fan.
 
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Redress said:
So you now admit to sleeping with gay men.
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I never denied it and any that did usually made unwanted advances and got discharged with a BCD,
 
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Navy Pride said:
Nothing wrong with a child whose step fathers are gay attending camp as long as there are no gays serving openly
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LMAO they are married. What could be more open than that?
 
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winston53660 said:
LMAO they are married. What could be more open than that?
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What part of gay BS serving openly do you not understand?
 
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Navy Pride said:
Nothing wrong with a child whose step fathers are gay attending camp as long as there are no gays serving openly
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I really don't like the idea of telling people they can't be who they are "openly". Clearly, the argument of "openly" suggests an understanding that there are gay people, and they will be involved in various activities that the rest of the community engages in, yet the idea of saying just don't be what you are "openly" suggests that people should be forced by rule to hide what they are. I find that offensive. The Boy Scouts, as well most youth organizations, sports, clubs, etc, generally have rules about common decency and what is inappopriate to do or say within the group, but to tell people they MUST hide the fact of their sexual orientation or be banned from the group is just revolting to me.

No one is "normal", we all have areas where we deviate from the norm, for some, it's a ridiculously high IQ, for others, it's a ridiculously high level of intolerance for anything they deem different. Allowing the most fearful among us to dictate the rules is certain to result in some very bad rules.
 
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CaptinSarcastic said:
I really don't like the idea of telling people they can't be who they are "openly". Clearly, the argument of "openly" suggests an understanding that there are gay people, and they will be involved in various activities that the rest of the community engages in, yet the idea of saying just don't be what you are "openly" suggests that people should be forced by rule to hide what they are. I find that offensive. The Boy Scouts, as well most youth organizations, sports, clubs, etc, generally have rules about common decency and what is inappopriate to do or say within the group, but to tell people they MUST hide the fact of their sexual orientation or be banned from the group is just revolting to me.

No one is "normal", we all have areas where we deviate from the norm, for some, it's a ridiculously high IQ, for others, it's a ridiculously high level of intolerance for anything they deem different. Allowing the most fearful among us to dictate the rules is certain to result in some very bad rules.
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You might not like it my left wing friend but the BSA are a private organization and can deny membership to anyonr they see fit.
 
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Navy Pride said:
You might not like it my left wing friend but the BSA are a private organization and can deny membership to anyonr they see fit.
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My not liking it is part of what is changing it.

Forgetting for a moment on what grounds you believe the BSA and other private organizations can deny membership. Why would you as an individual support their decision (not their right, mind you) to ban people because of what they are? Or do you even support the decision, it appears so, but I can't say I am 100% sure on this.
 
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CaptinSarcastic said:
My not liking it is part of what is changing it.

Forgetting for a moment on what grounds you believe the BSA and other private organizations can deny membership. Why would you as an individual support their decision (not their right, mind you) to ban people because of what they are? Or do you even support the decision, it appears so, but I can't say I am 100% sure on this.
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I would ban them because of their lifestyle and what they might do to young impressionable boys......... I feel confident the BSA will do the right thing.
 
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Navy Pride said:
I would ban them because of their lifestyle and what they might do to young impressionable boys......... I feel confident the BSA will do the right thing.
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What exactly about their "lifestyle" do you dislike, and what exactly do you think they might do to impressionable young boys?
 
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