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    Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post

    If this is the type of source you are using in your "research" - all I can say is "Oh dear!" I believe a few other posters have also commented on the source but check out the 'references' within the piece.

    World Net Daily - commonly denigrated with the title of World NUT Daily

    Regent University Law School - I think this is a well-balanced article that shows how the school has improved its standing over the years as it has dropped the evangelical focus from most of its courses. The school is still fighting perceptions created by the graduates of those early years and it is still ranked as a "fourth tier" school

    Dr. Judith Reisman

    Council for National Policy - "an umbrella organization and networking group for social conservative activists in the United States"

    All of the 'research' cited by Reisman and Baldwin has been shown to be sheer and utter crap, driven by their religious and political beliefs and not by any adherence to scientific standards.

    Things change, what today we consider paedophilia was once accepted as not only normal but legal. In 1886, twenty-five of the American states, following earlier English law, had an age of consent of ten years; four states, following Christian canon law on marriage, had an age of consent of twelve; Delaware, following Christian canon law on the age of discretion, set its age of consent at seven. As late as 1892, a bill was put forward in the New York State Senate to lower the age of consent to ten, it was defeated. Look for the following book, if you are interested in how the changes in societal acceptance of what we today call paedophilia, came about: Purity Crusade: Sexual Morality and Social Control, 1868-1900 by David J Pivar
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    Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    Because inflicting your will on anyone who cannot prevent you from doing so...usually ends up in sex...
    so thus statement was not true?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    of course child molestation isn't all about sex..it is about power and being able to do what you want to someone who is unable to prevent you..this doesn't appease me..it makes the thing a whole lot sicker!!!
    Its more likely that a person that claims to be heterosexual will molest boys.

    Because it doesn't have anything to do with sexual attraction. Its about control.

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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

    Then what about a "bull dyke" lesbian running a camp for boys? Would that bother you?

    It certainly bothers some in the leadership of the Boy Scouts

    Lesbian Scout leader ousted; parents upset - CBS News

    (AP) The first-graders in Ohio Pack 109's Tiger Scouts didn't know or care their den mother was a lesbian — at least not until the Boy Scouts of America threw her out over the organization's ban on gays.

    Now, parents who were aware of Jennifer Tyrrell's sexual orientation well before she took the boys on campouts and helped them carve race cars for the annual Pinewood Derby have rallied to her defense in a case that has re-ignited the debate over the Scouts' policy.

    "I teach my children to judge people on their actions," said Rob Dunn, a father in Bridgeport, a village of about 2,000 across the Ohio River from Wheeling, W.Va. "Whether you agree with their lifestyle or not."

    The Boy Scouts of America, whose oath calls for members to be "morally straight," maintains that as a private organization it has the right to exclude gays and atheists from its ranks.

    That stance was upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court in 2000 but has led many state and local governments to deny support for the Scouts.
    On the other subject of gay men, which is what most think about when they hear 'gay', I have a gay relative who is a huge outdoors freak, hunting and fishing on a couple trips a year with a group of friends he's had since college. As far as I know, only one other guy in the group of 7 or 8 is gay. He could certainly help a group of city kids to learn about life in the woods, and since he's been married for the past four years, to a really big guy . . .
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    So you only have problem if they are out of the closet. IOW you have a problem with gays.
    I don't..here comes the old cliche..I have gay friends...but I do...

    I find them very predatory..even to the point of coming on to my partner when I am at the bar..

    Would I trust them to look after my boys...NO!

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    Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

    Quote Originally Posted by Omgitsme View Post
    For the same reasons a straight man would want to become a BS leader...



    Do you really need someone to explain that one too you?

    Yes..yes..I do..

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    Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    I don't..here comes the old cliche..I have gay friends...but I do...

    I find them very predatory..even to the point of coming on to my partner when I am at the bar..

    Would I trust them to look after my boys...NO!
    Wow. You have the wrong gay friends.
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    Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    so thus statement was not true?



    Its more likely that a person that claims to be heterosexual will molest boys.

    Because it doesn't have anything to do with sexual attraction. Its about control.
    It's about control, it's about easy manipulation, it's about being mentally and emotionally immature and unable to really relate with people of equivalent age.

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    Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    I don't..here comes the old cliche..I have gay friends...but I do...

    I find them very predatory..even to the point of coming on to my partner when I am at the bar..

    Would I trust them to look after my boys...NO!

    You find them "predatory". I wonder if they might not be playing with your head, knowing of your homophobia - having a little joke at your expense.
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    Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    You find them "predatory". I wonder if they might not be playing with your head, knowing of your homophobia - having a little joke at your expense.
    Then why would I sit with them if I was homophobic...

    I wouldn't go near them...

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    Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    If this is the type of source you are using in your "research" - all I can say is "Oh dear!" I believe a few other posters have also commented on the source but check out the 'references' within the piece.

    World Net Daily - commonly denigrated with the title of World NUT Daily

    Regent University Law School - I think this is a well-balanced article that shows how the school has improved its standing over the years as it has dropped the evangelical focus from most of its courses. The school is still fighting perceptions created by the graduates of those early years and it is still ranked as a "fourth tier" school

    Dr. Judith Reisman

    Council for National Policy - "an umbrella organization and networking group for social conservative activists in the United States"

    All of the 'research' cited by Reisman and Baldwin has been shown to be sheer and utter crap, driven by their religious and political beliefs and not by any adherence to scientific standards.

    Things change, what today we consider paedophilia was once accepted as not only normal but legal. In 1886, twenty-five of the American states, following earlier English law, had an age of consent of ten years; four states, following Christian canon law on marriage, had an age of consent of twelve; Delaware, following Christian canon law on the age of discretion, set its age of consent at seven. As late as 1892, a bill was put forward in the New York State Senate to lower the age of consent to ten, it was defeated. Look for the following book, if you are interested in how the changes in societal acceptance of what we today call paedophilia, came about: Purity Crusade: Sexual Morality and Social Control, 1868-1900 by David J Pivar
    The age of consent laws may have been low, but the practice of pedophilia was not as common as people believe. According to United States census information from the 1890s on.

    Year Males Females
    1890 26.1 22.0
    1900 25.9 21.9
    1910 25.1 21.6
    1920 24.6 21.2
    1930 24.3 21.3
    1940 24.3 21.5
    1950 22.8 20.3
    1960 22.8 20.3
    1970 23.2 20.8
    1980 24.7 22.0
    1990 26.1 23.9
    1993 26.5 24.5
    1994 26.7 24.5
    1995 26.9 24.5
    1996 27.1 24.8
    1997 26.8 25.0
    1998 26.7 25.0
    1999 26.9 25.1
    2000 26.8 25.1
    2001 26.9 25.1
    2002 26.9 25.3
    2003 27.1 25.3
    2005 27.0 25.5
    2006 27.5 25.9
    2007 27.71 26.0
    2008 27.6 25.9
    2009 28.1 25.9
    2010 28.2 26.1

    1. The margin of error for 2007 is +/- 0.2 years.
    Source: U.S. Bureau of the Census; Web: Census Bureau Homepage.

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