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Thread: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    In order to answer the question in moral terms, I start asking questions. "How many innocent people will be killed?" "To what degree are the people killed actually innocent?" "How many innocent people will be killed if the action is NOT taken?"

    The terrorists targeted by the drones are in the very business of killing innocent people as that is almost their raison d'etre. In addition, the people who surround them often share their same objective. Children are always innocent, of course, but I don't think it is entirely cut and dried as to the innocence of adults.

    THe morality of drone strikes is very complex IMO, and doesn't lend itself to simple answers that ignore too many variables and fails to ask enough questions.
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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Aren't assassinations by drones a form of terrorism?
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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    By all means, let's stop drone strikes because they aren't perfect. And while we're at it, let's get rid of police because in spite of all of them, crimes still happen! Nothing like making perfect the enemy of the good.
    Not comparable. Rather a mindless comparison actually.

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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    NO, what is mindless is the notion that we should stop all drone strikes becuase terrorists hide among civilians and are sheltered by supposedly 'friendly' governments. You want mindless - that's mindless.
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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Yes, lets put the lives of U.S. soldiers at risk so that other people can feel better about the war on terror. I love people who are so anxious for others to submit themselves to danger so that their delicate sensibilities aren't threatened.

    Joining Special Forces doesn't mean you are available for any suicide mission that comes along.

    Special forces can get in there and handle themselves. It is what they do best. They have the ability to handle any threat and spare innocent people. Drones don't have that capability.
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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    Special forces can get in there and handle themselves. It is what they do best. They have the ability to handle any threat and spare innocent people. Drones don't have that capability.
    the problem with this is that you are basing your opinion on Hollywood movies, where every mission goes like clockwork and nobody on the good side ever dies because the guys on the other side are all idiots.

    Then there's the real world....
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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    the problem with this is that you are basing your opinion on Hollywood movies, where every mission goes like clockwork and nobody on the good side ever dies because the guys on the other side are all idiots.

    Then there's the real world....
    Except, in OBL's case, they were all idiots. I mean, c'mon! The Bad Guy Boss's lair and not a single soldier gets injured even a little? His two deputies, mowed down, totally ineffective. A couple chicks thought they'd get involved, bye. Osama himself was apparently busy with porn and could't mange to shoot anyone even one time. He also failed to push a 'detonate' button. Doesn't everyone think the Boss Lair should have a self-destruct button? Fail. They were all completely ineffectual, seems we got lucky that time.
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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Except, in OBL's case, they were all idiots. I mean, c'mon! The Bad Guy Boss's lair and not a single soldier gets injured even a little? His two deputies, mowed down, totally ineffective. A couple chicks thought they'd get involved, bye. Osama himself was apparently busy with porn and could't mange to shoot anyone even one time. He also failed to push a 'detonate' button. Doesn't everyone think the Boss Lair should have a self-destruct button? Fail. They were all completely ineffectual, seems we got lucky that time.
    Yeah, they did get lucky. Plus they planned it for a long time. It still cost a helicopter that could just as easily have crashed and killed everybody on board.
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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Yeah, they did get lucky. Plus they planned it for a long time. It still cost a helicopter that could just as easily have crashed and killed everybody on board.
    I know they trained like mad, and it wasn't perfect. But, if it was the final boss on a game, kids would throw the disk against the wall after finishing. It's actually kinda hard to believe that Osama was such a pussy, incompetent buffoon and coward. I know he was a terrorist and they are piece of crap cowards, but seriously... nobody got a scratch, that's not challenging. He just went down like a bitch.
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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    NO, what is mindless is the notion that we should stop all drone strikes becuase terrorists hide among civilians and are sheltered by supposedly 'friendly' governments. You want mindless - that's mindless.
    Killing civilians will not end the threat. It only grows it. But, the point is such killing is not moral, even if our enemy is immoral, or cowardly, or problematic.

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