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Thread: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    That mentality may have worked decades ago, but **** changed and we adapted our strategies and weapons for the war we're fighting today, not a war we fought 60 years ago. You may as well be demanding that we go back to fighting in box formations with banners and drummer boys.
    I'm not objecting to the use of technology. I'm objecting to the use of technology replacing the human cost of war.
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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I don't think war should conform to romantic notions or masculine conceptions, the point of the state engaging in violence is to accomplish a political end. If we can accomplish that end without exposing any of our citizens to harm then we have made a significant advancement.
    No, we haven't. We will have made war far more horrible than it has ever been in the course of human history.
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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    No, we haven't. We will have made war far more horrible than it has ever been in the course of human history.
    That is probably one of the more outrageously silly comments I've seen in quite a while. Really now, the use of robotic aircraft as a delivery vehicle for a tactical munition is such a malicious and terrible step into the abyss that it upends and casts a pall over the horrors of past 5,000 years of human warfare? Nonsense. Drones not only offer enormous utility, they do it while saving lives. The ability to hover on a target area for hours, sometimes up to a day, removing ambiguities over a potential target area by constant observation that a conventional fixed wing or helicopter strike would not afford you. They also can carry much lighter munitions than most conventional aircraft and can deliver them with greater precision reducing civilian casualties.

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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    That is probably one of the more outrageously silly comments I've seen in quite a while. Really now, the use of robotic aircraft as a delivery vehicle for a tactical munition is such a malicious and terrible step into the abyss that it upends and casts a pall over the horrors of past 5,000 years of human warfare? Nonsense. Drones not only offer enormous utility, they do it while saving lives. The ability to hover on a target area for hours, sometimes up to a day, removing ambiguities over a potential target area by constant observation that a conventional fixed wing or helicopter strike would not afford you. They also can carry much lighter munitions than most conventional aircraft and can deliver them with greater precision reducing civilian casualties.
    Anything that allows us to engage in acts of war without risk of casualties to our own people absolutely makes war far more horrible than it already is. Any act of war absolutely positively must come with at least that risk if not that certainty, or else war becomes too cheap and thus too easy to wage.
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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    I fine both immoral. Drones are no where near accurate enough and is very likely to involve more civilians than combatants. Assassination is largely illegal, and something we don't want to I encourage.

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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Better to lose an expendable machine than an irreplaceable life.
    That is a total lack of any moral code. Unlike WWII we do have to at least fig leaf a high moral ground position.

    To many in the world drones show we are cowards who lack any concern for human life outside of our own.

    We also seem bipolar in our anti-terror policies, some we want to treat as criminals and try, some we assassinate, along with a dozen or so civilians.

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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Anything that allows us to engage in acts of war without risk of casualties to our own people absolutely makes war far more horrible than it already is. Any act of war absolutely positively must come with at least that risk if not that certainty, or else war becomes too cheap and thus too easy to wage.
    I don't mind making war easier to wage, for us. I don't buy into this masochistic notion that the only way we are allowed to engage in conflict or war is if we have some blood offering to put on the side. Should we have our troops take off their body armor? Get rid of MRAPS? We do everything possible to reduce and avoid casualties, and we're supposed to stop at the goal line because it means... we'll have succeeded? It's ludicrous. I don't mind if we can fight in Mali or Afghanistan or wherever it may be without risk of harm to ourselves or our allies.

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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I fine both immoral. Drones are no where near accurate enough and is very likely to involve more civilians than combatants. Assassination is largely illegal, and something we don't want to I encourage.
    Drones are a delivery vehicle, they are not 'accurate' or 'inaccurate' they just fly. What they do allow for however is much greater precision in planning strikes because they can hover on targets for long periods of time, can use smaller munitions, and allow closer observation on strikes. They are as a weapons platform more accurate than anything else we have to use in that category.

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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    That is a total lack of any moral code. Unlike WWII we do have to at least fig leaf a high moral ground position.

    To many in the world drones show we are cowards who lack any concern for human life outside of our own.

    We also seem bipolar in our anti-terror policies, some we want to treat as criminals and try, some we assassinate, along with a dozen or so civilians.
    I don't care if Islamist savages in foothills of the Hindu Kush find us cowardly. The point is to kill them, not to win their esteem. Moreover your dig about killing civilians is part and parcel of the misconception about drones and the impact on civilians, relatively few civilians have been killed when compared to the number of strikes carried out, and definitely when compared to Pakistani military offensives.

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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I don't mind making war easier to wage, for us. I don't buy into this masochistic notion that the only way we are allowed to engage in conflict or war is if we have some blood offering to put on the side. Should we have our troops take off their body armor? Get rid of MRAPS? We do everything possible to reduce and avoid casualties, and we're supposed to stop at the goal line because it means... we'll have succeeded? It's ludicrous. I don't mind if we can fight in Mali or Afghanistan or wherever it may be without risk of harm to ourselves or our allies.
    There is a distinct and powerful difference between using technology to protect our troops and/or make them more effective and using technology to remove them from the equation altogether.

    Governments wage too much war as it is. If one or more sides are able to factor out the human cost I shudder to think what would result.
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