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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    There is no evidence I know of that lives are saved this way. In fact, evidence of when the British changed tactics is that less violence and more discrete efforts were more effective and not less. While there is some Chet puffing for high body counts, mother evidence doesn't support that this us a better solution overall.
    No evidence? You know that isn't true. Drone strikes save fantastic amounts of lives when compared to air strikes, missile strikes, raids, and conventional military activity. We can pull the data on this but you cannot possibly believe it.

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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I linked long ago, but in dealing with the Irish problem.
    In other words, a completely different tactical situation than the one faced in the Pakistan border areas. This is about as useful as saying a Bull and a Car both have a horn, so they are the same thing.
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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thetexastrigger View Post
    Pardon me, I was quoting the state from memory. I can't remember where I originally read it, so here is a figure from a study conducted by Stanford and NYU.

    From your link:

    ...available data indicate that drone strikes killed 2,562-3,325 people in Pakistan, of whom 474-881 were civilians, including 176 children...
    Now, admittedly, I took math for the non-math major, but that seems to indicate that between 73.51 and 82.5% of the deaths were combatants. Nice tag with the "high level", though, given that most drone missions are not against top tier targets.

    And this isn't even going in to their deeply flawed methodology - the same that haunted the since-disproven Lancet Survey in Iraq. As a hint to the authors, "Go ask a bunch of Pakistanis if they think drones kill too many people, and then take what they tell you at face value" sucks as a collection method.

    Not that the authors likely care. I like how you identify them as "Stanford and NYU". Because they identify themselves as "Stanford International Human Rights and Conflict Resolution Clinic (IHRCRC)" and "Global Justice Clinic (GJC) at NYU School of Law".

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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    No evidence? You know that isn't true. Drone strikes save fantastic amounts of lives when compared to air strikes, missile strikes, raids, and conventional military activity. We can pull the data on this but you cannot possibly believe it.
    Everyone actually involved with these ops realizes this. Which is why the Obama administration has expanded their use.

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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    No evidence? You know that isn't true. Drone strikes save fantastic amounts of lives when compared to air strikes, missile strikes, raids, and conventional military activity. We can pull the data on this but you cannot possibly believe it.
    I don't think that is what is being debated.

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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    In other words, a completely different tactical situation than the one faced in the Pakistan border areas. This is about as useful as saying a Bull and a Car both have a horn, so they are the same thing.
    Different in some ways, not in others. And no, the same tactic use there would be more effective than what we're doing.

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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Different in some ways, not in others. And no, the same tactic use there would be more effective than what we're doing.
    Perhaps we'll have to agree to disagree. Negotiations DO work with rational people who truly seek peace. In such an instance your solution is better. It fails utterly against irrational people who's primary goal is power over a people or region, though these same people may claim they only want negotiations, a smoke screen that amazingly still works like a charm. I think we are dealing with the latter example.
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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    I believe there are times where a drone can be an asset (on the battlefield), I do not think they should be allowed to target civilians.

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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Perhaps we'll have to agree to disagree. Negotiations DO work with rational people who truly seek peace. In such an instance your solution is better. It fails utterly against irrational people who's primary goal is power over a people or region, though these same people may claim they only want negotiations, a smoke screen that amazingly still works like a charm. I think we are dealing with the latter example.
    Who sad anything about negotiation? I think you may want to examine that sue closer.

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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    I think whatever works and saves American lives...
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