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Thread: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not a proper procedure. Every government and organization have procedures, but one that involves killing civilians in a country you are not at war with is not proper.
    And what if the leader of that country is providing the targeting data for the drones?
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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    And what if the leader of that country is providing the targeting data for the drones?
    Doesn't matter. Because a leader doesn't care about his or her people doesn't make us killing them any more moral or wise.

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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not a proper procedure. Every government and organization have procedures, but one that involves killing civilians in a country you are not at war with is not proper.
    We're going in circles here. Do you think it makes a damn bit of difference to collateral casualties whether the procedure was "proper"? This "proper" nonsense is a myth to make you feel better about taking the risk of collateral casualties. Granting Congress the power to declare war or the President the power to use military force for a limited time is in no way fundamentally different than granting the Pentagon the power to conduct air strikes. They ALL run the risk of unnecessary and unjustified deaths; it isn't unique to the way our drone program operates.

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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Doesn't matter. Because a leader doesn't care about his or her people doesn't make us killing them any more moral or wise.
    Of course President Hadi is concerned about his people. Which is exactly why he's grateful for our air strike assistance in his battle against AQAP.

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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    Of course President Hadi is concerned about his people. Which is exactly why he's grateful for our air strike assistance in his battle against AQAP.
    I'm not sure innocent people being killed really makes a people grateful. Nor does it endear any president to his people.

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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    We're going in circles here. Do you think it makes a damn bit of difference to collateral casualties whether the procedure was "proper"? This "proper" nonsense is a myth to make you feel better about taking the risk of collateral casualties. Granting Congress the power to declare war or the President the power to use military force for a limited time is in no way fundamentally different than granting the Pentagon the power to conduct air strikes. They ALL run the risk of unnecessary and unjustified deaths; it isn't unique to the way our drone program operates.
    The question bin asked in tis thread is about whether it s proper or not. The question isn't whether we'll get away with it or not. I'm trying to answer that question.

    Declaring war puts it into a proper on text, with proper moral and legal authority, with the people vested in the actions done in our name. We can then hold our elected officials more directly accountable.

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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm not sure innocent people being killed really makes a people grateful. Nor does it endear any president to his people.
    Which is why Yemen's support of the program has been cautious and is not without conditions. Statistically drone strikes have become quite accurate, and most of the hysteria about collateral causalties is overblwon, especially compared to conventional air strikes. Publicly, the Yemen government is trying to downplay US involvement, since Yemenis already have pretty unfavorable opinions toward the US. But the fact of the matter is that we are not witnessing the widespread public backlash against the drone program in Yemen as we did in Pakistan. This is due largely to the violence and misery inflicted on the Yemeni people by AQAP. They want AQAP gone.

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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Doesn't matter. Because a leader doesn't care about his or her people doesn't make us killing them any more moral or wise.
    Isn't it possible that the leader really is concerned about citizens? That he knows this murderer threatens the lives of hundreds of law-abiding citizens? Perhaps he's willing to trade the life of one murderer to save the lives of many who have harmed no one. This strict moral code you espouse, can easily be more amoral and more deadly than the drones you oppose. I suppose it's easy to criticize when you aren't actually responsible for the lives of citizens. People's idea of morality changes quite a bit when they live at the heart of a problem, and people close to them rely upon smart, not necessarily moral, decisions.
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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    Which is why Yemen's support of the program has been cautious and is not without conditions. Statistically drone strikes have become quite accurate, and most of the hysteria about collateral causalties is overblwon, especially compared to conventional air strikes. Publicly, the Yemen government is trying to downplay US involvement, since Yemenis already have pretty unfavorable opinions toward the US. But the fact of the matter is that we are not witnessing the widespread public backlash against the drone program in Yemen as we did in Pakistan. This is due largely to the violence and misery inflicted on the Yemeni people by AQAP. They want AQAP gone.
    Not sure how you measure widespread, or how we KNOW how effective they really are. Didn't we start with the difficult if measuring that? I suspect we create more terrorist, more fighting against us than we kill. Nit sure we can measure that either. But force has been used for a long, long time in these things, and I think we can say with less than stellar results.

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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Isn't it possible that the leader really is concerned about citizens? That he knows this murderer threatens the lives of hundreds of law-abiding citizens? Perhaps he's willing to trade the life of one murderer to save the lives of many who have harmed no one. This strict moral code you espouse, can easily be more amoral and more deadly than the drones you oppose. I suppose it's easy to criticize when you aren't actually responsible for the lives of citizens. People's idea of morality changes quite a bit when they live at the heart of a problem, and people close to them rely upon smart, not necessarily moral, decisions.
    Less likely. Certain killing for maybe killing isn't really a good trade off. Btw, you don't take a job because no one can criticize. Odd how some pick and choose where criticism is allowed.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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