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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    Various ways. Maybe he or she is involved in planning attacks against us or our troops abroad. Maybe they're arranged to be active participants in an upcoming planned attack. Maybe they're involved in acquiring equipment and weapons to be used in attacks.

    But I can't really say for sure. You'd have to ask the teams of intelligence and security analysts responsible for making the judgement, who, unlike you, are actually experienced and well-informed on such matters and who are actually privy to the intelligence details on which to make such judgements on a case by case basis.

    Then they can prove their case well enough to get a warrant.
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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    Senator to 'Hold' Nominee for CIA Director | The Weekly Standard

    Senator Paul shares the concern of many Americans.

    And yes, the apprehension of a terrorist in Yemen can pose extraordinary difficulties for the defense establishment. However, a precedent of killing American citizens, under the guise of the War on Terrorism, all without due process... is a bit much to be asked to accept. I all but realize that once precedent has been set, and policy formed, there will be more occurrences of these kinds: Americans abroad being killed by drones.

    I'm not basing my viewpoint purely upon that problem, though. While I overwhelmingly support the aspect of keeping our troops out of danger, and minimizing their risks, I have questioned the usage of drones several times over the years. Like, specifically, when a 'top al-Qaeda member' is killed. Intelligence has been lost. No telling how much or what of. It sucks to say, but sometimes we have to send our guys in so we can apprehend those terrorists, even though we know that not all of them are going to come home safely, or for that matter, alive. It just seems like drones are lazy, tactically, in the way they've been used against senior al-Qaeda leadership. There are risks going the no-risk route.

    Alternatively, turning my gaze back domestically, of course it is speculation on my part that drones in American skies could be armed and used against American citizens on American soil. I base my prognostication off the trends of today, US counterterrorism policy, the precedents of both having drones in our skies and the deaths of Americans abroad, and the doorway those two precedents have created in US counterterrorism policy. The available intelligence at each of our disposal points in that direction.

    John Brennan's response will either exacerbate this growing conundrum for many Americans, or, it will alleviate it. We'll see.
    Consider that every year, there are roughly 400 American citizens "justifiably" killed by police officers. The people who were shot were not granted "due process" yet it is deemed "justifiable" and "legal." This has gone on for centuries within our legal system. It matters little whether this was performed with a 9mm Barretta, an AR-15, or MQ-1 Reaper drone. An American citizen was killed by employees of the government. We in the US have employed the precedent for our government's entire history, that it is sometimes necessary to kill a fellow citizen without due process. There are reasons why this must sometimes be done. Usually, it is when the suspect in question has become a serious threat to other citizens. Attempts to apprehend the suspect might delay action long enough to further endanger other citizens. In such situations lethal force is authorized. Sometimes this force is applied by beat cop, SWAT team member, and in the case of Yemen, Predator drone. Drone's are not setting a precedent, they are simply employing a very old precedent, in existence as long as we have had a nation.

    That said, I do not support the idea of "armed" drones over US soil. Our law enforcement authorities have free reign to operate here and so I would expect authorities on the ground to make every effort to apprehend suspects alive and unharmed if possible. I do support un-armed drones for use by police forces. Police forces already use helicopters while attempting to locate suspects. Why would drones be any worse used in the same application? They would be cheaper to operate, require less skilled ground operators than helicopter pilots, and they would not place an extremely valuable pilot in harms way. I do not understand the resistance to this idea.
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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Then they can prove their case well enough to get a warrant.
    First of all, which court has jurisdiction for granting warrants for Khyber Paktunkhwa?

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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I think that would be a slight improvement, but still leaves open the ability to bomb an area of civilians in a country we are not at war with. This is bothersome to me.
    Bombing civilians is always bad and always a risk. Regardless of whether Congress has given its stamp of approval.

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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    Bombing civilians is always bad and always a risk. Regardless of whether Congress has given its stamp of approval.
    Likely not something we should engage in absent being at war with a country.

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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Likely not something we should engage in absent being at war with a country.
    It's not something we should engage in, ever - war or no.

    Unless we have good reason to.

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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    It's not something we should engage in, ever - war or no.

    Unless we have good reason to.
    Too subjective.

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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    First of all, which court has jurisdiction for granting warrants for Khyber Paktunkhwa?
    Exactly!
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Too subjective.
    Not anymore than war is. It's a judgement call.

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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    Not anymore than war is. It's a judgement call.
    Or a declaration from Congress....but whatever makes the excuses for your running to government easier.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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