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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Yeah, you will notice that nowhere in there does it say "bombing". The vast majority of drones are used for collections, not kinetic targeting. And the reason I throw in pilots is because the use of planes for domestic collection is already widespread. But now that we are talking about moving from expensive planes and pilots to relatively cheaper drones who perform the same function, you seem to feel that this is a problem.
    Personally, I'm 100% in favor of drones being used to collect intelligence, especially when the area they need to operate in is high-risk (read: they might get shot down).
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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Personally, I'm 100% in favor of drones being used to collect intelligence, especially when the area they need to operate in is high-risk (read: they might get shot down).
    That's why our infantry companies have them now. If all you need is overview, then cheaper to send a drone that costs a few thousand than send a squad to recon by (taking) fire.

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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    I'm not following you.

    My point is that the FBI doesn't have access to Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, so I think the argument that it should be up to the FBI or police force to apprehend US citizens that are currently in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa is rather silly.
    When did I say the FBI or police force should apprehend US citizens in other countries? The CIA and military, on the other hand, have the power to do so (and have in the past).
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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    When did I say the FBI or police force should apprehend US citizens in other countries? The CIA and military, on the other hand, have the power to do so (and have in the past).
    When you contested my point that it shouldn't be left to domestic forces to apprehend citizens in hostile foreign countries, or so I assumed.

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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    When you contested my point that it shouldn't be left to domestic forces to apprehend citizens in hostile foreign countries, or so I assumed.
    You originally contested the following statement I made:
    "If the government suspects a citizen is a terrorist then they must be brought through the justice system."

    My point was that a citizen can be apprehended by CIA or military and brought back to the US for prosecution. Never brought up FBI or local police forces.
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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    The problem I have with the question is that it asks if it is "morally" acceptable. I don't believe that there has ever been a moral reason to kill anyone. That's not to say that those people shouldn't be killed, but to try and justify it as "moral" is just wrong.

    My biggest problem with these drones is the collateral damage. Yea we got the one terrorist, but too bad we took out the entire wedding party.
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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post

    My point was that a citizen can be apprehended by CIA or military and brought back to the US for prosecution. Never brought up FBI or local police forces.
    What should be done when neither the CIA nor military troops are allowed to operate in a foreign country? What if no CIA assets are available there?
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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    I voted no. Many things are not moral in Warfare. Assassinations and spying are not moral actions. I understand and support their necessity, but I will not sit here and say that they're 'moral actions'. Furthermore, I do not support or condone drone usage inside the United States, not at all. But... since sexy lady Erin Burnett has talked about targeting people like the man the LAPD are hunting on her show on CNN... the agenda for usage, armed drones, could be well underway since the federal government already has authorization to terminate, via drone, American citizens. Worrisome, indeed.

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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    I voted no. Many things are not moral in Warfare. Assassinations and spying are not moral actions. I understand and support their necessity, but I will not sit here and say that they're 'moral actions'. Furthermore, I do not support or condone drone usage inside the United States, not at all. But... since sexy lady Erin Burnett has talked about targeting people like the man the LAPD are hunting on her show on CNN... the agenda for usage, armed drones, could be well underway since the federal government already has authorization to terminate, via drone, American citizens. Worrisome, indeed.
    Going after an American terrorist in Yemen is quite different from going after the same in the US. I doubt that drones would ever be armed over US soil. There's no reason for it. US police and FBI can operate freely here. So a drone need only identify where someone "is," and then domestic law enforcement can go get him. This was not possible in Yemen, so the rules were different.
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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    You originally contested the following statement I made:
    "If the government suspects a citizen is a terrorist then they must be brought through the justice system."

    My point was that a citizen can be apprehended by CIA or military and brought back to the US for prosecution. Never brought up FBI or local police forces.
    Well, apprehension in general is impossible in certain regions. Neither the FBI nor the CIA can waltz in there and casually handcuff someone. Which is why we resort to drone attacks and conventional air strikes in out-of-reach areas.

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