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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Drones are being used frequently for assassinations , attacks, spying, etc. I'm really seeking opinions on the drones used for assassinations.

    Personally, I approve of this method against proven "terrorists," and consider it poetic justice because of the nature of their work where they blend back into their normal society. The spy/attack drone can spot this behaviour and resolve the ambiguity with extreme prejudice. I'm OK with that and think it a clever solution to the difficulty of identifying terrorists. I'm trying to see if others agree with this position or even if I am missing some moral issue in the mental gymnastics.
    And who gets to decide who's a terrorist and who isn't? The CIA? The President? So they have "intel" from a "reliable source" that Akhmed McTerrorist is on Mohammed Lane. That means they should be able to destroy Mohammed Lane?

    The amount of collateral damage is ridiculous, and there is usually no other proof that someone is a terrorist other than a bureacrat said he was. I'm sorry, I can't stand behind executions with zero trials or where no evidence is presented.
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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Drones are being used frequently for assassinations , attacks, spying, etc. I'm really seeking opinions on the drones used for assassinations.

    Personally, I approve of this method against proven "terrorists," and consider it poetic justice because of the nature of their work where they blend back into their normal society. The spy/attack drone can spot this behaviour and resolve the ambiguity with extreme prejudice. I'm OK with that and think it a clever solution to the difficulty of identifying terrorists. I'm trying to see if others agree with this position or even if I am missing some moral issue in the mental gymnastics.


    What do you consider a proven terrorist?

    Who'll give proof and when?

    What if the proven terrorist is an American citizen? Was it proven in a court of law?

    What kind of terrorist, I mean you've got operatives, ideologists, command, any or all are fair game?

    I'm not saying I'm opposed to the use (except here in the States and against American citizens who haven't gone to trial) but these are just some of the questions that popped into my head

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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Yes as long as it is not used domestically.
    I question under what circumstances a drone used against us by our own government would EVER be acceptable!

    If another country used them against us, we would certainly retaliate! Perhaps if we quit meddling in other countries' affairs, we wouldn't have this problem, except for the occasional crackpot and his followers, who would certainly be dissuaded from ever doing it again.

    We've been lucky, so far, but lately all I've been reading about is the increased likelihood of terrorist attacks on a major scale here in the US. Scary!

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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    I see the utility but some of the implications do make me a little unconfortable.

    As long as they are only being used overseas on known, proven terrorists who are already on the "shoot on sight" list, I can live with it.

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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Drones are being used frequently for assassinations , attacks, spying, etc. I'm really seeking opinions on the drones used for assassinations.

    Personally, I approve of this method against proven "terrorists," and consider it poetic justice because of the nature of their work where they blend back into their normal society. The spy/attack drone can spot this behaviour and resolve the ambiguity with extreme prejudice. I'm OK with that and think it a clever solution to the difficulty of identifying terrorists. I'm trying to see if others agree with this position or even if I am missing some moral issue in the mental gymnastics.
    In my view, drones used as a weapon of assassination during a war and in a war zone are entirely acceptible. However, the President's use of drones in countries such as Pakistan and Yemen, countries that are supposedly or quasi-allies of the US are not acceptible, particularly when those countries have made it clear that they oppose the US use of drones in the sovereign territory.

    In addition, I fail to see how Americans can march and petition to have GW Bush tried and convicted of war crimes for torture of detainees who clearly committed crimes against the US and yet cheer on Obama for the murder of hundreds of innocent people, many women and children, as collateral damage during a successful drone attack or those that mistakenly bomb the wrong target.

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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I question under what circumstances a drone used against us by our own government would EVER be acceptable!

    If another country used them against us, we would certainly retaliate! Perhaps if we quit meddling in other countries' affairs, we wouldn't have this problem, except for the occasional crackpot and his followers, who would certainly be dissuaded from ever doing it again.

    We've been lucky, so far, but lately all I've been reading about is the increased likelihood of terrorist attacks on a major scale here in the US. Scary!
    FBI +ATF+Waco/Ruby Ridge. I wouldn't rule out they wouldn't try in that type scenario.

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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Drones are being used frequently for assassinations , attacks, spying, etc. I'm really seeking opinions on the drones used for assassinations.

    Personally, I approve of this method against proven "terrorists," and consider it poetic justice because of the nature of their work where they blend back into their normal society. The spy/attack drone can spot this behaviour and resolve the ambiguity with extreme prejudice. I'm OK with that and think it a clever solution to the difficulty of identifying terrorists. I'm trying to see if others agree with this position or even if I am missing some moral issue in the mental gymnastics.
    If you mean drones that have someone's name on them....like Osama, for instance...I'm all for 'em. If a drone could've taken out Bin Laden instead of putting a SEAL team in jeopardy? YAYYYYY!!!!
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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    I feel the drone program is a recipe for failure. We have this corporate model for international terrorism. If we eliminate the Board of Terror Inc. then we win. It doesn't work that way.

    The blowback for using assassination is the civilian deaths with each strike is creating more terrorists instead of ending them. using 'untouchable' drones to fight our wars makes perfect sense to us but not to the rest of the world, especially the Muslims. To them we are craven and arrogant- the very things we say about Terrorist leaders using apt buldings to hide in.

    I don't see the use of Hellfires in Detroit simply because we can put boots on the ground very quickly in the states. I do however see the Hellfire strikes being very sloppy overseas where the target overrides concerns for civilians... and the target doesn't need to be 100% verified.

    All eliminating 'the board' does is put regional leaders, national leaders and cell leaders in the driver's seat. What Board directives does a local cell leader need to strike? A Corporate opinion from their legal department? A annual bonus to retain the best terrorists so they don't go to work for a rival?

    Except for a smug sense of satisfaction I don't see a big upside to targeting the leadership with little if any regard for the civilians the USofA is supposed to be 'helping' by eliminating terrorists in their country.

    Seems to me separating the people from the terrorists makes more sense than helping the terrorists recruit more suicide bombers.

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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Drones are being used frequently for assassinations , attacks, spying, etc. I'm really seeking opinions on the drones used for assassinations.

    Personally, I approve of this method against proven "terrorists," and consider it poetic justice because of the nature of their work where they blend back into their normal society. The spy/attack drone can spot this behaviour and resolve the ambiguity with extreme prejudice. I'm OK with that and think it a clever solution to the difficulty of identifying terrorists. I'm trying to see if others agree with this position or even if I am missing some moral issue in the mental gymnastics.

    As long as the target has been proven to be a terrorist, no bystanders are taken out and we are at war with that country the terrorist is in I have no problem with assassination drones. I don't believe we should be sending drones into countries we are not at war with because it opens us up to some other country sending their drones into our country to assassinate key targets.
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    Re: Assassination Drones are OK or morally questionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    And who gets to decide who's a terrorist and who isn't? The CIA? The President? So they have "intel" from a "reliable source" that Akhmed McTerrorist is on Mohammed Lane. That means they should be able to destroy Mohammed Lane?

    The amount of collateral damage is ridiculous, and there is usually no other proof that someone is a terrorist other than a bureacrat said he was. I'm sorry, I can't stand behind executions with zero trials or where no evidence is presented.
    You have no idea whether the amount of collateral damage is 'ridiculous' or not. If you want to take a look at 'ridiculous' collateral damage, look at any German or Japanese city after World War II. That's collateral damage.
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