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    Re: Should The Government Be In The Marriage Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I understand, but the uphill battle you face is that once you bring that proposal to the courts or to legislation, you're actually going to have to argue why a fairly large percentage of the nation is now going to have to give up their marriages in favor of "civil unions" instead, and vague assertions of freedom ain't gonna cut it.
    People do get hung up in semantics. Whether it is marriage, civil union or some other name, it is the love and the work between two people that ultimately make it work or not. Marriage has religious connotations, civil unions do not. But you are most likely correct. I would suspect that if gays were given all the rights of a marriage but having it called a civil union they wouldn’t for the most part agree to it. I wouldn’t have a problem at all calling my marriage a civil union. We were not married in a church, at least a Christian one, so it would fall under the civil union category here in the states.

    But we shall see, it is said a journey of a thousands miles begins with the first step.
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    Re: Should The Government Be In The Marriage Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    People do get hung up in semantics. Whether it is marriage, civil union or some other name, it is the love and the work between two people that ultimately make it work or not. Marriage has religious connotations, civil unions do not. But you are most likely correct. I would suspect that if gays were given all the rights of a marriage but having it called a civil union they wouldn’t for the most part agree to it. I wouldn’t have a problem at all calling my marriage a civil union. We were not married in a church, at least a Christian one, so it would fall under the civil union category here in the states.

    But we shall see, it is said a journey of a thousands miles begins with the first step.
    The problem is that by attempting to specifically deny "marriage" to everybody but yourself, and letting them have "civil unions" instead, you're being pretty up-front that civil unions are "Marriage Lite." It's exactly like when my brother gave me the Gobot and kept Optimus Prime for himself.

    You feel that marriage is religious, and that's fine of course, but a lot of other people have different feelings about marriage that are not related to religion at all.

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    Re: Should The Government Be In The Marriage Business?

    Absolutely. It should be used to encourage the society we desire, with stability and greater success for its children.
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    Re: Should The Government Be In The Marriage Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    The problem is that by attempting to specifically deny "marriage" to everybody but yourself, and letting them have "civil unions" instead, you're being pretty up-front that civil unions are "Marriage Lite." It's exactly like when my brother gave me the Gobot and kept Optimus Prime for himself.

    You feel that marriage is religious, and that's fine of course, but a lot of other people have different feelings about marriage that are not related to religion at all.
    Ah, In today’s world you are correct. For the most part people have taken what was a religious ceremony, church defined and turned it into a one size fits all institution and for the most part, absent the religious aspect. Marriage Lite, a very nice way to put it and one that most people who are married outside of a church would come to view it. So marriage has taken on over time a completely different meaning than that of a hundred years ago going back throughout history.

    Words and meanings change over time; I can remember when gay meant happy instead of a homosexual meaning. But to me a civil union would bestow the same rights when it comes to benefits, taxes, health insurance etc. the same as a marriage. After all a marriage is nothing more than a union, a joining of two people. In the past this was done in a church, today more marriages occur outside of the church. A civil union is the same thing, a joining, a union of two people. Whether or not a church or a religion sanctions it, when it comes to being recognized by government, who should care?

    Perhaps civil unions could be the first step to bring everyone up to equal footing with the change done later from civil union to marriage. Maybe the question is, what is more important? Ensuring our partner in life will be taken care of along if any off spring or whether it is called marriage or civil union?
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    Re: Should The Government Be In The Marriage Business?

    No they shouldn't, all legal benefits can be retained without the legal institution.
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    Re: Should The Government Be In The Marriage Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    People do get hung up in semantics. Whether it is marriage, civil union or some other name, it is the love and the work between two people that ultimately make it work or not. Marriage has religious connotations, civil unions do not. But you are most likely correct. I would suspect that if gays were given all the rights of a marriage but having it called a civil union they wouldn’t for the most part agree to it. I wouldn’t have a problem at all calling my marriage a civil union. We were not married in a church, at least a Christian one, so it would fall under the civil union category here in the states.

    But we shall see, it is said a journey of a thousands miles begins with the first step.
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    Re: Should The Government Be In The Marriage Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wayno View Post
    Howdy !
    And a good day to you too, wayno.
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    Re: Should The Government Be In The Marriage Business?

    Looks like Liberals are getting closer to realizing their goal of marrying their girlfriends, all named, apparently, "Baaaa Baaaa...."

    Don't be sheepish about it, Libs......

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    Re: Should The Government Be In The Marriage Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    And a good day to you too, wayno.

    Like old times around here.....

    Polgara and Bubba are on another thread, Bonzai here tonight..........

    BTW, I'm going to paraphrase your signature for a moment...........

    All the problems this nation face were caused by people with Ivy League Degrees. Why would anyone with a lick of common sense continue to vote for the same graduates that have caused all of our present predicaments?

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    Re: Should The Government Be In The Marriage Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wayno View Post
    Like old times around here.....

    Polgara and Bubba are on another thread, Bonzai here tonight..........

    BTW, I'm going to paraphrase your signature for a moment...........

    All the problems this nation face were caused by people with Ivy League Degrees. Why would anyone with a lick of common sense continue to vote for the same graduates that have caused all of our present predicaments?
    yes, getting more like home everyday. Yes you changes would apply a while back when it seemed everyone in government came from the IVY League colleges. The problem is a lot of them were book smart and lacked common sense or how to deal with reality outside the campus area.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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