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    Re: Should The Government Be In The Marriage Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    This shouldn't be viewed as a sign that you are for or against gay marriage, polygamy, etc. Only whether or not the government should be the arbiter in moral decisions involving who or what is to be considered a suitable partner(s)
    Didn't vote. The way its phrased and the way the poll options are phrased are not neutral and way to partisan.
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    Re: Should The Government Be In The Marriage Business?

    Well, I think we both know what I'm refering to but, I'll play along -- traditional marriage would be between 1 man and 1 woman.
    Yes, that is one past custom. One. Of many. And which I have no very good reason for supporting above other historical traditions.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Yes, with the exception that the government can deny individuals to be legally recognized. I'm putting the argument into a more palatable context. Don't make it a gay marriage issue. Make it a governmental control issue.
    Sorry, but to ignore that this issue is only brought up as a result of gay marriage is naive. If it weren't for gay marriage nobody would be saying anything about getting government out of marriage. It's a gay marriage issue.

    The best way to end government backed discrimination is to take government out of the equation all together.
    The best way to end government [insert dysfunctional behavior here] is to take government out of the equation altogether. Cute, but that'll never solve anything.

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    Re: Should The Government Be In The Marriage Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Sorry, but to ignore that this issue is only brought up as a result of gay marriage is naive. If it weren't for gay marriage nobody would be saying anything about getting government out of marriage. It's a gay marriage issue.
    You just gotta love it when someone tries to claim or push the idea that their arguement has nothing to do with gay marriage when without gay marriage this subject would never have been brought up in the first place. Note that this happens on other subjects also.
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    Re: Should The Government Be In The Marriage Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Didn't vote. The way its phrased and the way the poll options are phrased are not neutral and way to partisan.

    Well, thank you for commenting. I don't know if I agree with your assessment, but thanks for the criticism none the less.

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    Re: Should The Government Be In The Marriage Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by jasonxe View Post
    No. Marriages should be done by contract between two individuals. Be it between churches or whatever
    So if the contract says that the wife shall not leave the house and allows marital discipline, you think the government should just stay out of that and let the church enforce it? Or worse, enforce it themselves?

    I really don't think people who argue that "the government should stay out of marriage altogether" have any idea what they are talking about. The government currently doesn't regulate marriage except to prohibit polygamy, incest, molestation, rape, unconscionability like contracts that refuse to provide for child support, etc. Prohibiting gay marriage is the one main thing the government does wrong, and that's because of the influence of the church. So why the hell should we leave marriage altogether to the church?
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    Re: Should The Government Be In The Marriage Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Yes, that is one past custom. One. Of many. And which I have no very good reason for supporting above other historical traditions.
    No, I don't suppose you would. Because that old time tradition of clubbing your woman over the head and dragging her back to the cave is just as relevant to today's discussion as any I've seen... I can see where you might get confused.



    Sorry, but to ignore that this issue is only brought up as a result of gay marriage is naive. If it weren't for gay marriage nobody would be saying anything about getting government out of marriage. It's a gay marriage issue.
    Ok, and what? The issue also could have been past resolved had the term "civil union" been allowed to have replaced the word "marriage". Marriage for some holds religious connotations. What's the matter -- don't want a complete seperation of church and state? By taking government completely out of the marriage business you don't have to worry about word magic. It's cut and dry. Everyone is equal because all you are doing is registering yourselves into a partnership of sorts to ensure hereditary rights and what not are protected.

    It's naive to think I don't fully understand why you'd balk at the notion of everyone having full fledged legal protection and equal standing with all the trimmings as I've set the table.




    The best way to end government [insert dysfunctional behavior here] is to take government out of the equation altogether. Cute, but that'll never solve anything.
    Turn a specific statement into a generality. Cute, but that won't make what I said wrong.

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    Re: Should The Government Be In The Marriage Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    You just gotta love it when someone tries to claim or push the idea that their arguement has nothing to do with gay marriage when without gay marriage this subject would never have been brought up in the first place. Note that this happens on other subjects also.
    I never said it didn't. I said the poll should be viewed in a particular context. Meaning since the subject of gay marriage has brought to our attention a place where government should have no say, forget how you feel about polygamy or gay marriage, or whatever else and concentrate on whether or not you believe the government has a right to be the decision maker or should they merely be a custodian of records.

    Gay marriage has been the catalyst for the debate it doesn't mean that gay marriage has to be the debate.

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    Re: Should The Government Be In The Marriage Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    The traditional marriage would be preferable but since it seems that gay marriage will be accepted there will need to be roll models for the lacking gender in the family. The same could be said for single parent families the missing gender roll model needs to be found. The ideal would be the extended families with aunts and uncles being available to be roll models too.
    I agree. I believe that while not optimal, same sex marriages can fill the gap on the issue of adoption. I do also believe grandparents, aunts, uncles, close friends and the like, definitely should fill the missing gender's role.

    I don't feel religious institutions shouldbe strong armed by the government into complying however, if it means going against the articles of faith or moral teachings of their particular denomination.
    Last edited by ChezC3; 02-02-13 at 09:50 AM.

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    Re: Should The Government Be In The Marriage Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    So if the contract says that the wife shall not leave the house and allows marital discipline, you think the government should just stay out of that and let the church enforce it? Or worse, enforce it themselves?

    I really don't think people who argue that "the government should stay out of marriage altogether" have any idea what they are talking about. The government currently doesn't regulate marriage except to prohibit polygamy, incest, molestation, rape, unconscionability like contracts that refuse to provide for child support, etc. Prohibiting gay marriage is the one main thing the government does wrong, and that's because of the influence of the church. So why the hell should we leave marriage altogether to the church?
    It's a contract, if the wife doesn't agree then she doesn't have to sign it. As long as she or he voluntary agrees to it then that's their business. Did I say leave marriages altogether to the church? I said it can be between a church if they want or whatever form they see fit....sigh...just read the quote again.
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    Re: Should The Government Be In The Marriage Business?

    Marriage is an entirely civil matter. It is impossible to remove the state from its control and administration. All that can be done is to try to influence it in a wise direction.

    Speaking of which, "traditional marriage" is actually between a man and a woman of the same race, religion, nationality, and tribe or clan. We've managed over the years to whittle away the legal barriers to most of those (though attitudes of scorn and rejection may still echo in some recalcitrant quarters), but there is at least one more still to go.

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