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    Re: Should The Government Be In The Marriage Business?

    I don't know about the marriage part, but the government sure does wanna be involved in the "honeymoon part"....

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    Re: Should The Government Be In The Marriage Business?

    Of course there needs to be a legal distinction with regard to marriage. The same with family relations. Otherwise there's no way to standardize inheritance. Unless you libertarians want to have compulsory laws requiring people to keep a will the moment they turn 18. Otherwise there needs to be standardization.
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    Re: Should The Government Be In The Marriage Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Well, since you've brought motives into it (by weighing my post from my political lean), what's yours for removing government from marriage?
    I am a proponant of traditional marriage. I also am an advocate for liberty and freedom. This means that I will promote traditional family values but have no desire to impose those values over anyone who chooses to oppose or not agree with them. Because I don't agree with lifestyle choices of others doesn't mean that I should have a means to prevent others from living under a value system of their choosing.

    Freedom and liberty for all means that people are going to do things you don't like. It isn't anyone's place to use "the machine of terror" to force people into conforming to someone else's value system.
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    This is why using the government as a database, a registry to uphold the marriage contract regarding inheritance, property etc, etc... is the only function I believe it should have.

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    Re: Should The Government Be In The Marriage Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by eellis285 View Post
    i think this is rediculous the problem is government shouldn't even know if you are or aren't married that should be between you god (or your god) and your spouse i am very opposed to homosexuality as an act not to the people as we are supposed to love the sinner and hate the sin but i am not going to vote for gay marriage to be outlawed because i don't want the gov. in anyones business
    We seem to be on the same page, which leads me to wonder what you find so ridiculous?

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    Re: Should The Government Be In The Marriage Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Of course there needs to be a legal distinction with regard to marriage. The same with family relations. Otherwise there's no way to standardize inheritance. Unless you libertarians want to have compulsory laws requiring people to keep a will the moment they turn 18. Otherwise there needs to be standardization.
    That's where the registry part comes in.

    Same laws would/could apply.
    Doesn't matter the sex of the surviving spouse.

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    Re: Should The Government Be In The Marriage Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    I am a proponant of traditional marriage.
    Which tradition? The one where marriage was arranged between two people whether they liked it or not? The one where marriage was used to bind tribes for power and wealth? The one where it was used solely to determine who the proper heir was? The one where it was acknowledged by common law? The one that was religious? Or the one that is secular and licensed by the government?

    I also am an advocate for liberty and freedom.
    Ditto.

    This means that I will promote traditional family values but have no desire to impose those values over anyone who chooses to oppose or not agree with them. Because I don't agree with lifestyle choices of others doesn't mean that I should have a means to prevent others from living under a value system of their choosing.
    Although the "traditional family values" bit is vague, I'm otherwise right on board with you.

    Freedom and liberty for all means that people are going to do things you don't like. It isn't anyone's place to use "the machine of terror" to force people into conforming to someone else's value system.
    Okay, I feel I owe you an apology. I ass-umed that you were against gay marriage being recognized by the government, but based on the above I can now see that quite the opposite is true.

    This is why using the government as a database, a registry to uphold the marriage contract regarding inheritance, property etc, etc... is the only function I believe it should have.
    Isn't that largely what it does already?

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    Re: Should The Government Be In The Marriage Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Which tradition? The one where marriage was arranged between two people whether they liked it or not? The one where marriage was used to bind tribes for power and wealth? The one where it was used solely to determine who the proper heir was? The one where it was acknowledged by common law? The one that was religious? Or the one that is secular and licensed by the government?


    Well, I think we both know what I'm refering to but, I'll play along -- traditional marriage would be between 1 man and 1 woman.



    Ditto.





    Although the "traditional family values" bit is vague, I'm otherwise right on board with you.





    Okay, I feel I owe you an apology. I ass-umed that you were against gay marriage being recognized by the government, but based on the above I can now see that quite the opposite is true.

    No worries...


    Isn't that largely what it does already?
    Yes, with the exception that the government can deny individuals to be legally recognized. I'm putting the argument into a more palatable context. Don't make it a gay marriage issue. Make it a governmental control issue.

    The best way to end government backed discrimination is to take government out of the equation all together.

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    Re: Should The Government Be In The Marriage Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    I too agree that the traditional family is the best model to have for raising children to be productive, successful, and happy. Well, after reading what you wrote again you said "role model". That being said, were you speaking on the traditional family or just "role models"?

    I absolutely agree that the government should be the last ones to take care of anything.
    The traditional marriage would be preferable but since it seems that gay marriage will be accepted there will need to be roll models for the lacking gender in the family. The same could be said for single parent families the missing gender roll model needs to be found. The ideal would be the extended families with aunts and uncles being available to be roll models too.

    We have had problems in Oklahoma with foster kids being killed or molested by their foster families and where that did not happen there were a refusals to allow adoptions of kids by foster parents and instead kids were farmed out to different families over several years so the kids get attached and then torn away. This is being reformed now and some DHS personnel were convicted of neglect of duty.
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    Re: Should The Government Be In The Marriage Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    In the past, IMO, our government has demonstrated a poor ability to care for children.
    Now, IMO again, it is better, and probably a lot better than many "tax paying citizens".
    Well now that parents can be sued by the state if they use corporal punishment that lessens the amount of control that parents can implement. Sill, the State is still worse than most parents in their ability to take care of children.
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    Re: Should The Government Be In The Marriage Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    Marriage is an institute of religion and should be kept in the churches.

    Civil Unions are all that should be recognized by the government for tax purposes (that is for all couples regardless of orientation).
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    I usually agree with you, but on this matter, Marriage is an institute of LAW. Signed on the dotted line and you will be paying someone a long time. Depending on the lawyers. Is that gov't involvement or regulation or is there a difference? I have always presumed it was a clever and subtle victory of women over the unbeknownst.

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