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    Re: Should The Government Be In The Marriage Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wayno View Post
    Like old times around here.....

    Polgara and Bubba are on another thread, Bonzai here tonight..........

    BTW, I'm going to paraphrase your signature for a moment...........

    All the problems this nation face were caused by people with Ivy League Degrees. Why would anyone with a lick of common sense continue to vote for the same graduates that have caused all of our present predicaments?
    Because the elites are better than the regular person. I'm more of a Henry Stimson man than I am a Joe Six-Pack, sorry.
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    Re: Should The Government Be In The Marriage Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Because the elites are better than the regular person. I'm more of a Henry Stimson man than I am a Joe Six-Pack, sorry.
    Couldn't disagree more.

    The children of the rich, who use those institutions to remain the "elite," I'd argue are LESS intelligent than let's say the average Notre Dame graduate.

    First, there's grade inflation.

    Then there's the fact that, because SO much money is involved, you'd probably actually have to KILL someone to get thrown out.

    We now have a President who can't properly pronounce the word corpsman, and weho thinks HAwaii, where he lived, is in Asia.

    We have a former VP who, based on ONE Ivy League science course, thinks the sun doesn't have the greatest effect on Earth's temperatures.

    And how many MORE people have to talk about what idiots Bush and Kerry were?

    I think the elites are far less capable in most cases, at this day in time.

    And as far as "being better than the average person," these are LYING POLITICIANS for Christ's sake..........

    Or, more accurately, people who couldn't make it in the legal profession for the most part, so looked for an easier gig.

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    Re: Should The Government Be In The Marriage Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wayno View Post
    Couldn't disagree more.

    The children of the rich, who use those institutions to remain the "elite," I'd argue are LESS intelligent than let's say the average Notre Dame graduate.

    First, there's grade inflation.

    Then there's the fact that, because SO much money is involved, you'd probably actually have to KILL someone to get thrown out.

    We now have a President who can't properly pronounce the word corpsman, and weho thinks HAwaii, where he lived, is in Asia.

    We have a former VP who, based on ONE Ivy League science course, thinks the sun doesn't have the greatest effect on Earth's temperatures.

    And how many MORE people have to talk about what idiots Bush and Kerry were?

    I think the elites are far less capable in most cases, at this day in time.

    And as far as "being better than the average person," these are LYING POLITICIANS for Christ's sake..........

    Or, more accurately, people who couldn't make it in the legal profession for the most part, so looked for an easier gig.
    What's strange is, if you remove two lines, this would have sounded like it came straight from the mouth of a liberal. The Lying politician line is particularly priceless.
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    Re: Should The Government Be In The Marriage Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    What's strange is, if you remove two lines, this would have sounded like it came straight from the mouth of a liberal. The Lying politician line is particularly priceless.
    I'm a Conservative, which is far different from being a Republican....

    I realize we have the best government money can buy, BOTH parties..........

    For every dollar spent on "K" street, a business sees a return of 220 dollars, on average.

    And our President, who had the White House PURCHASED for him by the big banks he railed against?

    He's going to APPOINT one of those "big bankers", who have banks with record profits, and record fees, as our new Treasury Secretary.......

    After having an Administrion that looks, at every level, like a "Who's Who" at Goldman Sachs.....

    Welcome to the world of illusion, my friend........

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    Re: Should The Government Be In The Marriage Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wayno View Post
    I'm a Conservative, which is far different from being a Republican....

    I realize we have the best government money can buy, BOTH parties..........

    For every dollar spent on "K" street, a business sees a return of 220 dollars, on average.

    And our President, who had the White House PURCHASED for him by the big banks he railed against?

    He's going to APPOINT one of those "big bankers", who have banks with record profits, and record fees, as our new Treasury Secretary.......

    After having an Administrion that looks, at every level, like a "Who's Who" at Goldman Sachs.....

    Welcome to the world of illusion, my friend........


    And let's not forget, not one of them has gone to jail....

    Not even former N.J. Governor Corzine, who quickly ripped off a few billion dollars after leaving office, and who's now PROTECTED by the political elites....

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    Re: Should The Government Be In The Marriage Business?

    Ever considered that I thought, by large, it was a good thing?
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    Re: Should The Government Be In The Marriage Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Ah, In today’s world you are correct. For the most part people have taken what was a religious ceremony, church defined and turned it into a one size fits all institution and for the most part, absent the religious aspect. Marriage Lite, a very nice way to put it and one that most people who are married outside of a church would come to view it. So marriage has taken on over time a completely different meaning than that of a hundred years ago going back throughout history.
    Marriage has been shown to be a big enough tent. We all fit under it before and we'll all fit under it tomorrow.

    Words and meanings change over time; I can remember when gay meant happy instead of a homosexual meaning. But to me a civil union would bestow the same rights when it comes to benefits, taxes, health insurance etc. the same as a marriage. After all a marriage is nothing more than a union, a joining of two people. In the past this was done in a church, today more marriages occur outside of the church. A civil union is the same thing, a joining, a union of two people. Whether or not a church or a religion sanctions it, when it comes to being recognized by government, who should care?
    We shall see. My prediction, though, is that given a choice the overwhelming majority of people will pick marriage over civil unions any day of the week, just as I never picked the Gobots over the Transformers.

    Maybe the question is, what is more important? Ensuring our partner in life will be taken care of along if any off spring or whether it is called marriage or civil union?
    Having both has never been a problem in the past, and I don't see why it should be now.

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    Re: Should The Government Be In The Marriage Business?

    Having both has never been a problem in the past, and I don't see why it should be now.
    Because homosexuals are seen as not deserving it. I love the old dance though: "I don't hate gays, but I don't want them to have the word marriage" (even though this is government work).
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    Re: Should The Government Be In The Marriage Business?

    “No, I know what's best for me. Government should serve as a register only.” 30
    “Yes, we need standards and structure or society will fall.” 12
    Wow! So when a 40 year old man marries his second 14 year old wife that is what you want the government to register?

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    Re: Should The Government Be In The Marriage Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    “No, I know what's best for me. Government should serve as a register only.” 30
    “Yes, we need standards and structure or society will fall.” 12
    Wow! So when a 40 year old man marries his second 14 year old wife that is what you want the government to register?
    Well, not to open up another can of worms but if you want to play devil's advocate, I'll jump right in too.

    A 40 year old man marrying his second wife who happens to be 14.

    I don't have a problem with polygamy.
    I do have a problem with the age, however the appropriate age of marriage is a social norm issue. The general belief in academic circles puts Mary at 12 when she had Jesus, so....What ya trying to say about the Big Guy,eh?

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