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Thread: Should we get rid of the constitution

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    Re: Should we get rid of the constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Your constitution would be one sentence: "People get the (dark ages) rights that we give them and if they don't stfu then they will be put to death."

    That's not really a constitution.
    No, it would be considerably more than that, thank you very much. Though you are correct that it would be a very different document than what the Founders put together as well. It would lay out the Duties and Responsibilities of a Citizen as well as the Rights/Privileges thereof. It would lay out the limits of the Government in immutable terms and without the means to change it in the future. It would require people who don't like it, to remove themselves from the country, or to be removed. It's really pretty much that simple.

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    Re: Should we get rid of the constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    No, it would be considerably more than that, thank you very much. Though you are correct that it would be a very different document than what the Founders put together as well. It would lay out the Duties and Responsibilities of a Citizen as well as the Rights/Privileges thereof. It would lay out the limits of the Government in immutable terms and without the means to change it in the future. It would require people who don't like it, to remove themselves from the country, or to be removed. It's really pretty much that simple.
    Oh, please. You want the death penalty for gays and smoking pot. You think beating women is a moral responsiblity. Do you honestly think anyone should read the opine of such about right and wrong? Spare me.

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    Re: Should we get rid of the constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    LOL! No doubt Tig. But at least both of us recognize that in a country that boasts it's "freedom," that the citizenry should not be enslaved to the will of the citizens born 200 years ago. I equate that to having to wear the same sized shoe we were given when we were babies. Feet grow. So do nations.
    That's where we differ. I'd keep the concept of a lot of what is already in the Constitution itself. Though there would be additions for the Duties and Responsibilities of a Citizen (a word that would replace "The People") and a definition of who the Citizens are compared to the Residents. My Constitution would not be anywhere near as maleable or forgiving as the document we currently live with.

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    Re: Should we get rid of the constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    No, it would be considerably more than that, thank you very much. Though you are correct that it would be a very different document than what the Founders put together as well. It would lay out the Duties and Responsibilities of a Citizen as well as the Rights/Privileges thereof. It would lay out the limits of the Government in immutable terms and without the means to change it in the future. It would require people who don't like it, to remove themselves from the country, or to be removed. It's really pretty much that simple.
    Regardless of what the "new and improved," constitution might say, there always needs to be a way for future generations to amend it with the times as they see fit. It is rather arrogant for our generation, or past generations, to dictate to future generations as to how they should live simply because we say so.

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    Re: Should we get rid of the constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Regardless of what the "new and improved," constitution might say, there always needs to be a way for future generations to amend it with the times as they see fit. It is rather arrogant for our generation, or past generations, to dictate to future generations as to how they should live simply because we say so.
    I respectfully disagree. There are major portions of the Constitution which should not be open to Amendment. If people don't want to live in that sort of country, they can always go to Canada or to Europe.

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    Re: Should we get rid of the constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    That's where we differ. I'd keep the concept of a lot of what is already in the Constitution itself. Though there would be additions for the Duties and Responsibilities of a Citizen (a word that would replace "The People") and a definition of who the Citizens are compared to the Residents. My Constitution would not be anywhere near as maleable or forgiving as the document we currently live with.
    Well, that's what the Taliban are doing. So goes the fundalmentalist Islamic governments that are placing the heavy yoke on their population to live under laws that were written centuries ago. Perhaps you might want to consider relocating to a country where this type of dictatorship is the norm rather than the exception?

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    Re: Should we get rid of the constitution

    Constitution isnt perfect but i believe it should stay around.


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    Re: Should we get rid of the constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Well, that's what the Taliban are doing. So goes the fundalmentalist Islamic governments that are placing the heavy yoke on their population to live under laws that were written centuries ago. Perhaps you might want to consider relocating to a country where this type of dictatorship is the norm rather than the exception?
    It's been looked into. They're not real high on the idea of accepting US Citizens. Especially ones who are not Muslems.

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    Re: Should we get rid of the constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    It's been looked into. They're not real high on the idea of accepting US Citizens. Especially ones who are not Muslems.
    I feel ya bro. We're not much on accepting people with their kind of ideas here either. Looks like you're a man without a country. But good luck to you just the same.

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    Re: Should we get rid of the constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I feel ya bro. We're not much on accepting people with their kind of ideas here either. Looks like you're a man without a country. But good luck to you just the same.
    I always have been, Cap. Just like my father and grandfather were at the end of their lives.

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