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Thread: Should we get rid of the constitution

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    Re: Should we get rid of the constitution

    It's a qualified "yes" answer from me.

    Yes, because the anti-federalists were correct about the constitution granting too much authority to the federal government. But it should only be replaced with something which rectifies the "too weak" aspects of the Articles of Confederation and the "too strong" aspects of the Constitution. I'd use many principles from the Swiss Confederacy as the basic foundation for the new "Goldilocks" constitution, tweaked for the larger, more diverse US.
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    Re: Should we get rid of the constitution

    There's nothing inherently wrong with your constitution, just the way it's sometimes incompetently interpreted, such as by the self-professed constitutional law expert currently occupying the White House.

    My response to the actual question would be - "And replace it with what?"

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    Re: Should we get rid of the constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    It's a qualified "yes" answer from me.

    Yes, because the anti-federalists were correct about the constitution granting too much authority to the federal government. But it should only be replaced with something which rectifies the "too weak" aspects of the Articles of Confederation and the "too strong" aspects of the Constitution. I'd use many principles from the Swiss Confederacy as the basic foundation for the new "Goldilocks" constitution, tweaked for the larger, more diverse US.
    I went to bed last night gratified that nobody in this forum had voted yes. Some of these wack job libs in here that I expected to vote yes did not and I thought that was encouraging, so much for that!

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    Re: Should we get rid of the constitution

    Imagine if we were to legislate some kind of law or constitutional change that dictated the unchangeable path of American citizens 200 hundred years from now. We would be dictating to them how they should live based on conditions today. Emphasis on the word "dictate." Just throw the word "freedom" out the window.

    As a previous poster stated there are measures in place to change the constitution. It is a difficult and lengthy procedure and rightfully so. But nothing is etched in stone. Americans should be free to navigate their own well-being and not tethered to some archaic ruling of centuries gone by. This is as true today as it was when the constitution was written.

    The constitution should never be dismissed entirely, in my opinion. I am one of those who voted "no" in the poll. But a free America should be able to make changes as the generations see fit. We should not be enslaved to the will of past generations.

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    Re: Should we get rid of the constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I went to bed last night gratified that nobody in this forum had voted yes. Some of these wack job libs in here that I expected to vote yes did not and I thought that was encouraging, so much for that!
    So you disagree with the idea of decreasing federal authority?
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    Re: Should we get rid of the constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    So you disagree with the idea of decreasing federal authority?
    I disagree with getting rid of the constitution. The constitution is about limiting gov authority. Obama hates it for that reason and says it only tells gov what it can't do not what it can do.


    "The Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society…. To that extent, as radical as I think people try to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution … that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. Says what the states can’t do to you. Says what the Federal government can’t do to you, but doesn’t say what the Federal government or State government must do on your behalf, and that hasn’t shifted, and one of the, I think, tragedies of the civil rights movement was, um, because the civil rights movement became so court-focused I think there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalition of powers through which you bring about redistributive change…. I’m not optimistic about bringing about major redistributive change through courts… The Constitution reflected an enormous blind spot in this culture that carries on until this day … The Framers had that same blind spot … the fundamental flaw of this country. "

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    Re: Should we get rid of the constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    The constitution is about limiting gov authority.
    This demonstrates a distinct lack of any meaningful historical knowledge of the USA. The constitution only exists because people wanted to expand federal authority.
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    Re: Should we get rid of the constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    This demonstrates a distinct lack of any meaningful historical knowledge of the USA. The constitution only exists because people wanted to expand federal authority.
    You could not be more wrong. The constitution is about limiting the power of gov and if you read the obama quote you would realize that is exactly why he despises the document and circumvents it at every opportunity.

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    Re: Should we get rid of the constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I am curious as to who in here agrees with this guy.

    "AS the nation teeters at the edge of fiscal chaos, observers are reaching the conclusion that the American system of government is broken. But almost no one blames the culprit: our insistence on obedience to the Constitution, with all its archaic, idiosyncratic and downright evil provisions."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/31/op...stitution.html
    Jefferson was a proponant of creating New Constitutions every X number of years. It's not exactly some crazy idea.

    The Constitution has failed at some points in history but the question would be...what would replace it, what would it look like, how would it correct any shortfalls in our current constitution? The only problems I have with our current constitution is how elections are done and how Corporate Personhood has been interpreted.
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    Re: Should we get rid of the constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    You could not be more wrong. The constitution is about limiting the power of gov and if you read the obama quote you would realize that is exactly why he despises the document and circumvents it at every opportunity.
    The Constitution replaced the Articles of Confederation. The Constitution had one purpose...to expand Federal powers. If the people of the United States wanted some loose federation of states they wouldn't of junked the Articles of Confederation.

    Also...lets be honest here....the Federalist papers were just Madison and Hamilton convincing individuals to junk the Articles of Confederation and adopt a stronger Federal authority.
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