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    Re: Should we get rid of the constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I don't think we need to ditch the constitution but neither do I think we should be held in bondage by it and unable to change it with the times.

    I consider the constitution to be a living document. A great blueprint that requires adjustment now and then.
    The limitations placed on government by the Constitution are there for a reason.

    The ambitions of man are limitless and so the ambitions of a government of men will likewise be limitless. For that simple reason we need the wisdom to understand that we can only achieve our own individual ambitions when we limit the capacity of a common delegated authority to become "mob rule".

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    Re: Should we get rid of the constitution

    Nyet.
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    Re: Should we get rid of the constitution

    The Constitution has within it provisions for modification to adjust with the times. I think it could use a couple of amendments:

    1. Give the POTUS the line item veto however allow line item expenditures to be overturn by the same number of votes the initial bill passed by, still keeping the budget as congress' baby.
    2. Eliminate the Electoral College.
    3. Ban corporate and union campaign donations.
    4. Limit super-pack contributions to the same amount and rules regulating the campaign.
    5. Ban lobbyists from donating to campaigns.
    6. Repeal the 17th Amendment.
    7. Standardize all ballots nationally.
    8. Grant every citizen with one of those new "real ID" driver's licenses a passport, since the same information is required at application.
    9. Any American citizen spied on by the government upon the conclusion of the investigation must be notified at the initiative of the government, given the data collected on him and given the option of having that data destroyed and never accessible by the public under the FOIA under an expanded right to privacy.


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    Re: Should we get rid of the constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    The Constitution has within it provisions for modification to adjust with the times. I think it could use a couple of amendments:

    1. Give the POTUS the line item veto however allow line item expenditures to be overturn by the same number of votes the initial bill passed by, still keeping the budget as congress' baby.
    2. Eliminate the Electoral College.
    3. Ban corporate and union campaign donations.
    4. Limit super-pack contributions to the same amount and rules regulating the campaign.
    5. Ban lobbyists from donating to campaigns.
    6. Repeal the 17th Amendment.
    7. Standardize all ballots nationally.
    8. Grant every citizen with one of those new "real ID" driver's licenses a passport, since the same information is required at application.
    9. Any American citizen spied on by the government upon the conclusion of the investigation must be notified at the initiative of the government, given the data collected on him an given the option of having that data destroyed and never accessible by the public under the FOIA under an expanded right to privacy.


    Just a few...
    I like a lot of those!

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    Re: Should we get rid of the constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    The Constitution has within it provisions for modification to adjust with the times. I think it could use a couple of amendments:

    1. Give the POTUS the line item veto however allow line item expenditures to be overturn by the same number of votes the initial bill passed by, still keeping the budget as congress' baby.
    2. Eliminate the Electoral College.
    3. Ban corporate and union campaign donations.
    4. Limit super-pack contributions to the same amount and rules regulating the campaign.
    5. Ban lobbyists from donating to campaigns.
    6. Repeal the 17th Amendment.
    7. Standardize all ballots nationally.
    8. Grant every citizen with one of those new "real ID" driver's licenses a passport, since the same information is required at application.
    9. Any American citizen spied on by the government upon the conclusion of the investigation must be notified at the initiative of the government, given the data collected on him and given the option of having that data destroyed and never accessible by the public under the FOIA under an expanded right to privacy.


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    10) Extend the 22nd Amendment to include Congress...you either serve ONE six year term or TWO four year terms. That is it.
    11) Pass a Federal Balanced Budget Amendment
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    Re: Should we get rid of the constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    We should embrace the Constitution!

    It gives us the checks in order to balance the power of government. We need the Constitution for the rights given to us.

    Anyone who supports getting rid of it is about as Anti-American as it gets. The Constitution needs to be picked up off the ground it was thrown on, dusted off, and followed once again.
    While I agree with you, but that is very unlikely to happen. It has been accepted (by 5/4 our nine robed umpires) for many decades that the limitted federal powers are "inadequate" and that anything "good" and "important" is indeed a federal power (somehow). Using such broad and undefined powers as general welfare, taxation and commerce (nearly?) anything can be construed as Constitutional, especially since our congress critters and the president really, really wanted to do it.

    Education is not a federal power, yet ED is now the fastest growing, cabinet level, federal department - currently supplying about 10% (and growing) of the nation's total eduational spending. The concept of income redistribution, federal checks given to specific (non gov't employee) citizens, funded by taxing other citizens is nowhere to be found in the Constitution (or in the 16th amendment) yet that (income redistribution) spending is now about 1/3 of total federal spending. The latest PPACA decision, as worded by CJ Roberts, says that congress critters may now simply mandate that a citizen spend their money on a private good/service or pay a tax for not doing as so ordered; based (supposedly) on the 16th amendment federal power to tax income from all sources.
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    Re: Should we get rid of the constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    The limitations placed on government by the Constitution are there for a reason.

    The ambitions of man are limitless and so the ambitions of a government of men will likewise be limitless. For that simple reason we need the wisdom to understand that we can only achieve our own individual ambitions when we limit the capacity of a common delegated authority to become "mob rule".
    We need to be free to achieve our own individual ambitions. Society needs to be free to evolve into what it desires to be. I have all the respect in the world for our forefathers and signers of the DoI. But I do not necessarly want to be enslaved to what they think is right for me. They are long gone. They lived their life. We should be free to do the same.

    The constitution should only be repaired if it becomes broken.

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    Re: Should we get rid of the constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    While I agree with you, but that is very unlikely to happen. It has been accepted (by 5/4 our nine robed umpires) for many decades that the limitted federal powers are "inadequate" and that anything "good" and "important" is indeed a federal power (somehow). Using such broad and undefined powers as general welfare, taxation and commerce (nearly?) anything can be construed as Constitutional, especially since our congress critters and the president really, really wanted to do it.

    Education is not a federal power, yet ED is now the fastest growing, cabinet level, federal department - currently supplying about 10% (and growing) of the nation's total eduational spending. The concept of income redistribution, federal checks given to specific (non gov't employee) citizens, funded by taxing other citizens is nowhere to be found in the Constitution (or in the 16th amendment) yet that (income redistribution) spending is now about 1/3 of total federal spending. The latest PPACA decision, as worded by CJ Roberts, says that congress critters may now simply mandate that a citizen spend their money on a private good/service or pay a tax for not doing as so ordered; based (supposedly) on the 16th amendment federal power to tax income from all sources.
    *sigh* The federal government already ignores the Constitution a lot of times. I think that's a big part of our problems.

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    Re: Should we get rid of the constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    The Constitution has within it provisions for modification to adjust with the times. I think it could use a couple of amendments:

    1. Give the POTUS the line item veto however allow line item expenditures to be overturn by the same number of votes the initial bill passed by, still keeping the budget as congress' baby.
    2. Eliminate the Electoral College.
    3. Ban corporate and union campaign donations.
    4. Limit super-pack contributions to the same amount and rules regulating the campaign.
    5. Ban lobbyists from donating to campaigns.
    6. Repeal the 17th Amendment.
    7. Standardize all ballots nationally.
    8. Grant every citizen with one of those new "real ID" driver's licenses a passport, since the same information is required at application.
    9. Any American citizen spied on by the government upon the conclusion of the investigation must be notified at the initiative of the government, given the data collected on him and given the option of having that data destroyed and never accessible by the public under the FOIA under an expanded right to privacy.


    Just a few...
    9. If no legal proceeding resulted from the investigation. Talking about FBI paranoia witchhunts. I propose nobody should have an FBI file where their privacy has been invaded by their own country and then becomes a permanent record of the United States of America anyone who files an FOIA request can get or can be published by the media without their permission if no criminal behavior was discovered. As I think I understand it now, private FBI files remain sealed until the person's death then its public record. Still an invasion of privacy if you ask me.
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    Re: Should we get rid of the constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    The author is just one more statist pleading his case.

    In the authors words from his conclusion, "If even this change is impossible, perhaps the dream of a country ruled by “We the people” is impossibly utopian."...."ruled"....this word always comes up. Well...if we ever "extricate ourselves from constitutional bondage so that we can give real freedom a chance." (again, the authors words) that "rule" is exactly what we will get.

    It never ceases to amaze me....and frighten the hell out of me...that someone could teach Constitutional law for 40 years and still not truly understand the principles upon which it was based.
    Since our form of government is still considered an experiment, I think many of us believe we're headed down the wrong path . . . and our Constitution, instead of working for us, works just the opposite.

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