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    Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    I saw this article and thought it would be a good poll. Personally, I don't see an issue with taxing smokers more especially. The article even points out that the poor smoke more than the rich.........how stupid is that? If you don't have any money, why are you doing something that is totally detrimental to your health and costs an arm and a leg? Full disclosure, I was a smoker and I dipped. I quit cold turkey in Afghanistan. By choice, not by circumstance. It was one of the hardest things I've ever done. But I'm so glad I did it.
    As far as obesity, it would have to be a little to technical to work. Personally, I don't accept any excuse for obesity other than a medical condition such as thyroid problems. It doesn't matter what your physical capabilities are. If you manage calories effectively, you can lose weight or at least maintain your current weight. You can call that harsh if you want and it may be. But it's true.
    Do penalties for smokers and the obese make sense? | Fox News
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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    No, the government should not be meddling in the market to get the results it wants be that peoples buying decisions or anything else.

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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I saw this article and thought it would be a good poll. Personally, I don't see an issue with taxing smokers more especially. The article even points out that the poor smoke more than the rich.........how stupid is that? If you don't have any money, why are you doing something that is totally detrimental to your health and costs an arm and a leg? Full disclosure, I was a smoker and I dipped. I quit cold turkey in Afghanistan. By choice, not by circumstance. It was one of the hardest things I've ever done. But I'm so glad I did it.
    As far as obesity, it would have to be a little to technical to work. Personally, I don't accept any excuse for obesity other than a medical condition such as thyroid problems. It doesn't matter what your physical capabilities are. If you manage calories effectively, you can lose weight or at least maintain your current weight. You can call that harsh if you want and it may be. But it's true.
    Do penalties for smokers and the obese make sense? | Fox News
    Taxes don't need to be raised on them. They just need to be charged higher healthcare premiums.

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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    Why?

    Actually, I suspect BOTH cost LESS to taxpayers. Because they don't live as long on average.

    All the "studies" on "costs" of smokers and obsese conveniently leave off all the 2 decades+ of social security, medicare, medicaid, food stamps and all the rest that people who live really old cost.

    ALSO... the MOST anti-smoking people are ex-smokers. There is limited benefit in quitting along the way - so some. In short, a "smokers tax" should be against ANYONE who ever smoked a cigarette, a cigar or pot in the person's lifetime.

    As for obsesity, even being 20 pounds overweight is a known great health risk. Thus, anyone more than 5% over optimum weight (which tends to be very low) also then should pay the "obsesity" tax.

    In short, 95% of Americans would just be taxed more. Which, of course, again, is liberal control freakish - for which they alway search for ways to exempt themselves.

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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I saw this article and thought it would be a good poll. Personally, I don't see an issue with taxing smokers more especially. The article even points out that the poor smoke more than the rich.........how stupid is that? If you don't have any money, why are you doing something that is totally detrimental to your health and costs an arm and a leg? Full disclosure, I was a smoker and I dipped. I quit cold turkey in Afghanistan. By choice, not by circumstance. It was one of the hardest things I've ever done. But I'm so glad I did it.
    As far as obesity, it would have to be a little to technical to work. Personally, I don't accept any excuse for obesity other than a medical condition such as thyroid problems. It doesn't matter what your physical capabilities are. If you manage calories effectively, you can lose weight or at least maintain your current weight. You can call that harsh if you want and it may be. But it's true.
    Do penalties for smokers and the obese make sense? | Fox News
    the answer is clearly NO because other tax payers shouldn't be taxed with caring for those who engage in unhealthy behavior. Rather they should pay insurance rates based on their risky behavior.



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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I saw this article and thought it would be a good poll. Personally, I don't see an issue with taxing smokers more especially. The article even points out that the poor smoke more than the rich.........how stupid is that? If you don't have any money, why are you doing something that is totally detrimental to your health and costs an arm and a leg? Full disclosure, I was a smoker and I dipped. I quit cold turkey in Afghanistan. By choice, not by circumstance. It was one of the hardest things I've ever done. But I'm so glad I did it.
    As far as obesity, it would have to be a little to technical to work. Personally, I don't accept any excuse for obesity other than a medical condition such as thyroid problems. It doesn't matter what your physical capabilities are. If you manage calories effectively, you can lose weight or at least maintain your current weight. You can call that harsh if you want and it may be. But it's true.
    Do penalties for smokers and the obese make sense? | Fox News
    OBVIOUSLY you should pay a smokers tax.
    Also, you should pay an Ex-military tax as on average ex-military have shorter life spans.
    Finally, if you are 5% under or 5% over your optimum weight at any point in your life, you should pay a "wrong weight" tax.
    And, of course, you should pay the "being male" tax surcharge too.

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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the answer is clearly NO because other tax payers shouldn't be taxed with caring for those who engage in unhealthy behavior. Rather they should pay insurance rates based on their risky behavior.
    Medical care costs versus total-life costs to the government are not the same at all. A smoker dying in age 60s of a smoking disease is a big medical expense. BUT a person dying of "natural causes" in their 90s cost the government/taxpayers a whole lot more - including 3 decades of social security and medicare/caid, plus their other old age ailments.

    Thus, under this theory of costs-per-costs-of-the-person, really there should be an old-age tax in which a person's tax rate goes up every birthday.

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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    So the premise is that if you tax people more, they'll lose weight or quit smoking. So the addition of a tax can discourage a behavior? Then when we tax the rich, we are discouraging people from being rich. Let's take it farther, when we tax everyone but the poor, are we not discouraging people from being anything but poor?
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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    So the premise is that if you tax people more, they'll lose weight or quit smoking. So the addition of a tax can discourage a behavior? Then when we tax the rich, we are discouraging people from being rich. Let's take it farther, when we tax everyone but the poor, are we not discouraging people from being anything but poor?
    You make a great point. I view it as someone who may be on the gov't dime later for their own unhealthy habit should pay more into it ie more taxes on smokes, dip, alcohol (minus wine). I'm still iffy on the obesity thing. I honestly don't know what we would tax for that. Not everyone who stops into McDonalds, for instance, is fat. Everyone who smokes, dips, or drinks alcohol is hurting themselves though. I don't see an issue with taxing those things further.
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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    well, If the public ends up paying everyone's healthcare, then I say absolutely. Seems like we are going down that road so... yea that's the only fair thing to do, people who smoke and are obese have more health problems and require more expensive surgeries than everyone else.

    I think in Japan, it's illegal to be fat haha, at least that's what I heard.

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