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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Why don't we stop paying for irresponsible people's mistakes and medical care? I think you would find more of them than your suggested group of people.
    You're not.
    Smokers and the obese tend to cost less over time, than do healthy people.
    Diseases related to old age, cost a lot more than diseases, related to obesity and smoking.
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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

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    I rarely do homework for others, but I'll make an exception assuming you have served our nation, thank you...

    WASHINGTON: Penalty could keep smokers out of health overhaul | Health & Science | CentreDaily.com
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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You're not.
    Smokers and the obese tend to cost less over time, than do healthy people.
    Diseases related to old age, cost a lot more than diseases, related to obesity and smoking.
    So we should set a death date? Getting old is a way of life. Someone smoking a pack a day when they're living on the gov't dime anyway or stuffing their fat face with no remorse is not. It's irresponsible. I'll gladly pay the medical costs of a 90 year old guy who took care of himself and made it that far. No issues. I have an issue with watching a guy ride around with a disabled tag on his car smoking and stuffing his face with McDonalds. I know this seems that I am advocating for more gov't interference, and maybe I am, which is against my principles. But watching these people who would have never been on disability before the recession sucking down Marlboro's and Big Macs while they stand in line for their gov't subsidized prescription pisses me off. You know what I'm saying?
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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    I rarely do homework for others, but I'll make an exception assuming you have served our nation, thank you...

    WASHINGTON: Penalty could keep smokers out of health overhaul | Health & Science | CentreDaily.com
    The prosecution rests. I'm happy with that. Even if it is in the AHA lol.
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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    So we should set a death date? Getting old is a way of life. Someone smoking a pack a day when they're living on the gov't dime anyway or stuffing their fat face with no remorse is not. It's irresponsible. I'll gladly pay the medical costs of a 90 year old guy who took care of himself and made it that far. No issues. I have an issue with watching a guy ride around with a disabled tag on his car smoking and stuffing his face with McDonalds. I know this seems that I am advocating for more gov't interference, and maybe I am, which is against my principles. But watching these people who would have never been on disability before the recession sucking down Marlboro's and Big Macs while they stand in line for their gov't subsidized prescription pisses me off. You know what I'm saying?
    I understand to a degree, but these people tend to cost less.
    So them smoking/overeating is going to off them faster.
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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    The prosecution rests. I'm happy with that. Even if it is in the AHA lol.
    I'm sure you are aware that, in today's environment, your avatar might get you arrested...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    I don't particularly like to see any product taxed at a different level than any other product but I'd much prefer that to taxing particular people at a different level simply because of their vices or physicality.

    From my perspective, in western society today, many children are raised to be obese in that their parents feed them unhealthy, empty calories, simply because they're easy, with little or no preparation, and as a result children are trained from an early age to eat poorly. It's like fattening a calf for slaughter.

    Smokers, on the other hand, make their own decision to pick up the habit, so I have less sympathy there.

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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I don't particularly like to see any product taxed at a different level than any other product but I'd much prefer that to taxing particular people at a different level simply because of their vices or physicality.

    From my perspective, in western society today, many children are raised to be obese in that their parents feed them unhealthy, empty calories, simply because they're easy, with little or no preparation, and as a result children are trained from an early age to eat poorly. It's like fattening a calf for slaughter.

    Smokers, on the other hand, make their own decision to pick up the habit, so I have less sympathy there.
    You were doing okay until you got to this point. Smoking is just as much a part of the environment in which a person was raised as are eating habits.

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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    You were doing okay until you got to this point. Smoking is just as much a part of the environment in which a person was raised as are eating habits.

    Good evening jcj...
    Good evening V1.1 - I was raised in a family where my father smoked and my mother didn't - I and my three brothers don't smoke and never did - one brother married a smoker and she had two children neither of which smoke and both of whom shamed her into quiting. I don't believe that you can equate the need to eat and being fed as a child to being raised in a home where someone smokes - I agree both can lead to addictions, but only one case is a function of survival.

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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I don't particularly like to see any product taxed at a different level than any other product but I'd much prefer that to taxing particular people at a different level simply because of their vices or physicality.

    From my perspective, in western society today, many children are raised to be obese in that their parents feed them unhealthy, empty calories, simply because they're easy, with little or no preparation, and as a result children are trained from an early age to eat poorly. It's like fattening a calf for slaughter.

    Smokers, on the other hand, make their own decision to pick up the habit, so I have less sympathy there.
    Actually, our bodies and tastes have evolved to favor fat, salt and sugar. Those evolutionary tilts developed during an epoch of scarcity and poor survival odds.
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