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Thread: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    OBVIOUSLY you should pay a smokers tax.
    This guarantees poor health. There is NO benefit to smoking.
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    Also, you should pay an Ex-military tax as on average ex-military have shorter life spans.
    Being in the military does not guarantee poor health.
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    Finally, if you are 5% under or 5% over your optimum weight at any point in your life, you should pay a "wrong weight" tax.
    Same thing. This does not guarantee poor health.
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    And, of course, you should pay the "being male" tax surcharge too.
    Same thing. This does not guarantee poor health.
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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    well, If the public ends up paying everyone's healthcare, then I say absolutely. Seems like we are going down that road so... yea that's the only fair thing to do, people who smoke and are obese have more health problems and require more expensive surgeries than everyone else.
    My point exactly.
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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Medical care costs versus total-life costs to the government are not the same at all. A smoker dying in age 60s of a smoking disease is a big medical expense. BUT a person dying of "natural causes" in their 90s cost the government/taxpayers a whole lot more - including 3 decades of social security and medicare/caid, plus their other old age ailments.

    Thus, under this theory of costs-per-costs-of-the-person, really there should be an old-age tax in which a person's tax rate goes up every birthday.
    Being old isn't a negligent act. Smoking is. There's nothing else to debate about that.
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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I saw this article and thought it would be a good poll. Personally, I don't see an issue with taxing smokers more especially. The article even points out that the poor smoke more than the rich.........how stupid is that? If you don't have any money, why are you doing something that is totally detrimental to your health and costs an arm and a leg? Full disclosure, I was a smoker and I dipped. I quit cold turkey in Afghanistan. By choice, not by circumstance. It was one of the hardest things I've ever done. But I'm so glad I did it.
    As far as obesity, it would have to be a little to technical to work. Personally, I don't accept any excuse for obesity other than a medical condition such as thyroid problems. It doesn't matter what your physical capabilities are. If you manage calories effectively, you can lose weight or at least maintain your current weight. You can call that harsh if you want and it may be. But it's true.
    Do penalties for smokers and the obese make sense? | Fox News
    I'm somewhat torn by this article. On the one hand, it's slightly clever how they did the bait-and-switch thing, going from "should we tax smokers and the obese?" to "Obamacare pretty much operates under that reasoning, because it allows insurance agencies to charge extra for smokers" (and we'll just gloss over the fact that every insurance agency already does this); but on the other hand, this article appears to have been written so that it's easily digestible by your average retarded 7th grader. Hmm. Is this manipulative, or merely pandering? I just cannot decide.

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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    I'm somewhat torn by this article. On the one hand, it's slightly clever how they did the bait-and-switch thing, going from "should we tax smokers and the obese?" to "Obamacare pretty much operates under that reasoning, because it allows insurance agencies to charge extra for smokers" (and we'll just gloss over the fact that every insurance agency already does this); but on the other hand, this article appears to have been written so that it's easily digestible by your average retarded 7th grader. Hmm. Is this manipulative, or merely pandering? I just cannot decide.
    Meh, don't focus on the article so much as the OP. It's a Fox News article, or course it says something against Obamacare lol.
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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Meh, don't focus on the article so much as the OP. It's a Fox News article, or course it says something against Obamacare lol.
    Okay. Fair enough. To answer your question:

    Somewhat ironically I think Fox actually brought up the right solution (although for utterly moronic reasons) - let insurers charge extra for risky health behavior. If that's folded into an individual's insurance liability, they have direct reasons to change their behavior, and the rest of us are at least somewhat financially reimbursed if they don't. This "solution" (that's in quotes because insurance companies already do this, so it's not like I'm suggesting a new policy) also avoids the obvious and ongoing problem of government punishing addiction, which is both historically expensive to police, and totally useless as a prophylactic measure. Also, it bears mentioning that if you're serious about government taxing things because they create increased health risks, and thereby cost the public money, you probably shouldn't just be talking about cigarettes and overeating. You should also be talking about excessive tanning, and "extreme" sports, and people who drive a lot, etc etc. Of course that would be patently crazy, but it'd also be logically consistent.

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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    Smoking is a personal choice thing while obesity is a bit more complicated. Many obese people are poor. They do not go and buy up fatty foods because they want to be fat, but rather because it is cheap. (Unhealthy Food Is Cheap Food.) (The Checkup - Junk food cheaper than healthful) Now, why are unhealthy foods such as McDonalds cheap? That's because the US government subsidies the meat, corn, rice and several other industries, thus lowering the price of the food. (For a Healthier Country, Overhaul Farm Subsidies: Scientific American) So you have poor people eating unhealthy foods and becoming obese because it is cheap and a government that enables this by subsidizing the essential ingredients in those unhealthy foods. Thus, if we want lower obesity, I think that we should end subsidies.

    EDIT: Please note, this does not mean that personal responsibility is not involved, but rather acknowledges the how such an issue is complicated and how circumstances beyond a person's control can somewhat force them into bad situations.
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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    They should pay more for health insurance though, with a rebate if they lose the weight, or quit smoking. Carrots work better than sticks.

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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    They should pay more for health insurance though, with a rebate if they lose the weight, or quit smoking. Carrots work better than sticks.
    then why shouldn't drinkers and drug addicts pay more too--addiction is addiction?

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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    Tanning has a Health tax. Passed with Obamacare.
    Smoking is already heavily taxed. It could be taxed more as long as they don't get absurd about it.
    Alcohol is "sin taxed"
    A Junk Food sin tax would probably work without too much pain.
    The only major class that has escaped are drug users. We're to stupid to tax drugs for some strange reason.

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