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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    People use ten times the sugar that they should....I think a "sin-tax" on sugar (all sugars) is a good idea.
    I agree with this, as well as a tax on sodium, artificial sweeteners and anything else that is shown to be alluring and bad for you. I have high blood pressure and it is very difficult to find foods low in sodium. I am making a lot of my own food now (instead of canned foods etc), in order to try to avoid having to take blood pressure medication. It is difficult to do this. High Blood pressure is epidemic. We are just feeding treasure to pharmaceuticals because we don't make the food industry behave itself.
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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    Taxes? No. Healthcare Premiums? You're damn right they should be raised.
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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    I agree with this, as well as a tax on sodium, artificial sweeteners and anything else that is shown to be alluring and bad for you. I have high blood pressure and it is very difficult to find foods low in sodium. I am making a lot of my own food now (instead of canned foods etc), in order to try to avoid having to take blood pressure medication. It is difficult to do this. High Blood pressure is epidemic. We are just feeding treasure to pharmaceuticals because we don't make the food industry behave itself.
    because you are too lazy to make your own food you think everyone else should pay more? Seriously this is just a money grab by the govt that will hurt the poor the most. making your own food is better for you and paying more for a can of premade soup will not make you healthier. Sorry to hear you have high blood pressure but taxing everyone else will not help you.
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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    OBVIOUSLY you should pay a smokers tax.
    Also, you should pay an Ex-military tax as on average ex-military have shorter life spans.
    Finally, if you are 5% under or 5% over your optimum weight at any point in your life, you should pay a "wrong weight" tax.
    And, of course, you should pay the "being male" tax surcharge too.
    Sort of like how my car insurance goes up for being a male 16-24 years of age? And if I get a speeding ticket, it will most likely go up another 50%?


    Also, males actually use less healthcare then females, so your last one is a little silly. Not to mention, being 5% over or under isn't as big of a risk as being 50% over or under. And we even have those who are as much as 100-200% over their ideal weight. I certainly don't want to be subsidizing their lifestyle in any way, shape, or form; including healthcare.

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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    on smokers, yes. On the obese, no.

    For one thing, smoking is a behavior, and one that is absolutely NOT necessary, is even contrary, for human life. However, people HAVE to eat, which makes battling obesity, often a genetic matter, much more difficult to combat than smoking. Also, obese people pose no health risk to others, while smokers do.

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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    because you are too lazy to make your own food you think everyone else should pay more? Seriously this is just a money grab by the govt that will hurt the poor the most. making your own food is better for you and paying more for a can of premade soup will not make you healthier. Sorry to hear you have high blood pressure but taxing everyone else will not help you.
    I would hardly call a person who is so busy that they would like to preserve their time for things other than cooking "lazy", but spin it whatever way you like.

    As for the other matters, causing prepared foods to be better for us isn't a bad thing. You act like it would be.
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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    I would hardly call a person who is so busy that they would like to preserve their time for things other than cooking "lazy", but spin it whatever way you like.

    As for the other matters, causing prepared foods to be better for us isn't a bad thing. You act like it would be.
    Putting taxes on them is not making them better for anyone just more expensive. As to you being lazy, really cooking take so little time if you know how to do it (which anyone can learn if they put even a small bit of effort into it) the only explanation for not doing it is lazyness.
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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Putting taxes on them is not making them better for anyone just more expensive. As to you being lazy, really cooking take so little time if you know how to do it (which anyone can learn if they put even a small bit of effort into it) the only explanation for not doing it is lazyness.
    Oh, please, you just want to be able to say that I am lazy. Regardless, I wasn't trying to make this personal to me for my own sake, I was trying to illustrate from personal experience, and it does hold despite your lame attempts at personal attacks. I am certainly not going to justify my time budgeting to you (any further), despite your attempts to draw the discussion in such an irrelevant direction.

    As to it being more expensive as 'opposed' to becoming better. They are not mutually exclusive. Making them more expensive is the means to making better alternatives more attractive, and thereby creating an environment where healthier alternatives will survive in the marketplace because they are cheaper than the unhealthy ones, and are just as convenient. In such a case, a person's grocery bill would not go up, as long as they ate healthier. And people who wanted to eat healthier in the first place would have more choices.

    Now, you can bemoan the useless freedom to eat unhealthy being infringed, but I think I don't really care about that freedom much.
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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    I agree the laziness is just an aside but you tried to make this personal about you, I didnt start that, still it is irrelevant to the situation.

    As to taxing making things helatheir please! It makes it more expensive, chocolate bars will still have lots of sugar or no one will buy them cause they taste like crap. You can already buy salted or unsalted peanuts, guess which one sells more? If you want to pass laws requiring healthier pre-made foods that will actually do something but as long as there is a choice the saltier/sugurier foods will still be chosen more often, because people prefer the taste. Unless you want to hugely increase the taxes on them which will just create a black market or have peopel addign their own sugar/salt taxing "junk food" will only hurt the poorest who cannot afford it and have 0 impact on the quality of food. Canada tried that with cigarettes big taxes on them, guess what suddenly there was a massive illegal cigarette industry. eventually they dropped the taxes (mostly because their revenues were going down from forementionmed illegal activities) and the smuggling also died downa lot.


    Dream worlds where taxing changes peoples habits do not exist in reality, people will just look for ways around the taxes and hold the govt in even lower regard than they do now.

    This is not about freedom to eat unhealthy it is about an inane idea that somehow taxing certain foods will cause them to become healthier.
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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    Not just no on these, but all "sin" taxes (although the liberal anti-religion stand probably doesn't use that term). All such taxes are designed to socially engineer society in a "desired" direction. Just another implementation of the socialist nanny state mentality.
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