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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Ah but your beliefs require it. You want no government programs to exist that will help those who fall on hard times. You want no government programs to exist to help people save money for the future. You want essentially no government anywhere to incentivize people to do certain behaviors or help people at all. You essentially want a government that will let you die in the streets homeless for potential reasons that you had no control over. And you want no government programs to help people prevent themselves from ending up there at all. Essentially you want no social services outside of firefighters and police (and even then that's questionable as you are against being forced to pay taxes to pay for services others use). Granted, not entirely like 1990s Somalia, but that's the closest thing.
    I'm not for government running fire protection. Oh, and you didn't describe anarchy or 1990's Somalia, drama boy. Consider your attempt another FAIL.

    And I'm against anything not going towards protecting the rights and liberties of people. Clearly, fire protection doesn't do that and so it has no place in my philosophy.

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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    Taxes? No. Health insurance costs? Yes.
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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Taxes don't need to be raised on them. They just need to be charged higher healthcare premiums.
    Smokers began paying more for their insurance over a year ago at my workplace.

    Unlike smoking, though, there are so many reasons people gain weight--limited mobility because of permanent physical disabilities, inability to eat other than soft foods, and other reasons that would make increasing their taxes unjustly punitive, IMO.

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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Smokers began paying more for their insurance over a year ago at my workplace.

    Unlike smoking, though, there are so many reasons people gain weight--limited mobility because of permanent physical disabilities, inability to eat other than soft foods, and other reasons that would make increasing their taxes unjustly punitive, IMO.
    Those are a million reasons why they gain weight by eating too much, however those reasons make up a small overall percentage of the actual cases.

    Its less about justly or unjustly, I just think individuals should have to pay for their own risk of heart attack.

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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    Against the majority, I will vote that taxes be increased on the fatties.
    Sugar, all sugars are the problem, and these should be taxed, and those monies be used in anti-sugar commercials.
    Much like the successful(more or less) anti-smoking ads..from the previous century.
    And the tobacco taxes should be increased...that money used to clean up the mess from discarded cigarettes..

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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, the government should not be meddling in the market to get the results it wants be that peoples buying decisions or anything else.
    Then you favor the head in the sand approach...and small, do nothing ,government.
    Overweight people are a problem.

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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the answer is clearly NO because other tax payers shouldn't be taxed with caring for those who engage in unhealthy behavior. Rather they should pay insurance rates based on their risky behavior.
    What I favor is the tax on the cigarettes and sugar, NOT another tax on the people.
    Also, no insurance either, only another tax on the people for health care...much like todays social security..

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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Medical care costs versus total-life costs to the government are not the same at all. A smoker dying in age 60s of a smoking disease is a big medical expense. BUT a person dying of "natural causes" in their 90s cost the government/taxpayers a whole lot more - including 3 decades of social security and medicare/caid, plus their other old age ailments.

    Thus, under this theory of costs-per-costs-of-the-person, really there should be an old-age tax in which a person's tax rate goes up every birthday.
    Actually, the analog to MarineTPartier's proposal isn't an age tax. It would actually be a tax on non-smokers rather than on smokers, as well as a tax on healthy weighted people rather than on overweight or underweight people. This is indeed where the criteria for taxation that he proposes leads.

    Insurance companies should be allowed to charge for whatever they want as far as risks. If a fat person is riskier from their perspective, make it a surcharge. If a mountain climber health nut is riskier, make it a surcharge. And so forth.
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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Smokers began paying more for their insurance over a year ago at my workplace.

    Unlike smoking, though, there are so many reasons people gain weight--limited mobility because of permanent physical disabilities, inability to eat other than soft foods, and other reasons that would make increasing their taxes unjustly punitive, IMO.
    People use ten times the sugar that they should....I think a "sin-tax" on sugar (all sugars) is a good idea.

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    Re: Should Taxes Be Raised On Citizens Who Smoke or are Obese?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Then you favor the head in the sand approach...and small, do nothing ,government.
    Overweight people are a problem.
    Overweight people is a problem the people should solve. The government does not have the duty to make sure everyone is eating right or is in shape or for that matter is healthy.

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