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  • A Mathew Sheppard memorial built by Fred Phelps.

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  • A gun-free zone memorial honoring all the people murdered by guns in gun free zones.

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  • A 2nd amendment memorial honoring all the people murdered with guns.

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  • None of those are appropriate.

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    Which of these memorials is appropriate?

    Which of these memorials is appropriate?

    A Mathew Sheppard memorial built by Fred Phelps.
    A gun-free zone memorial honoring all the people murdered by guns in gun free zones.
    A 2nd amendment memorial honoring all the people murdered by guns.
    None of those are appropriate.
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    Re: Which of these memorials is appropriate?

    A monument built to honor all the dead who were murdered with guns would fill city blocks if all from today and history were included upon it. There is not a monument large enough to accommodate all the people murdered with guns so I could not vote for any of them as it is not practical.

    I would vote for a memorial to the innocent victims of national mass murder tragedies like Sandy Hook, Aurora, Virginia Tech, Columbine and others in that category. There are individual such monuments built or in the planning stages. However, they tend to be local and rarely seen by anyone other than the locals who live there. In that regard they are just like local Viet Nam memorials to honor local townspeople who died there. We still built a national monument in Washington as a national tribute for all the American people. We should do the same with innocent victims of mass murders.
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    Re: Which of these memorials is appropriate?

    Agenda driven memorials are just plain offensive.

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    Re: Which of these memorials is appropriate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Agenda driven memorials are just plain offensive.
    Perhaps because you perceive their purpose to be against YOUR OWN AGENDA.
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    Re: Which of these memorials is appropriate?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    A monument built to honor all the dead who were murdered with guns would fill city blocks if all from today and history were included upon it. There is not a monument large enough to accommodate all the people murdered with guns so I could not vote for any of them as it is not practical.

    I would vote for a memorial to the innocent victims of national mass murder tragedies like Sandy Hook, Aurora, Virginia Tech, Columbine and others in that category. There are individual such monuments built or in the planning stages. However, they tend to be local and rarely seen by anyone other than the locals who live there. In that regard they are just like local Viet Nam memorials to honor local townspeople who died there. We still built a national monument in Washington as a national tribute for all the American people. We should do the same with innocent victims of mass murders.
    We can call it a monument to gov't trusting morons, reminding us of those killed in "gun free" zones, and can list the response time of police in each case. I see you express "special" concern only for those that died in a group due to gunfire, the poor slob killed in their sleep so that a criminal could ransack their home does not make the grade, or the child hit with a stray bullet from a drive by shooting. Sad that to be "innocent", in your warped world, one must be included in a "big" crime involving a gun, fleeing like a bunny or cringing like a coward as they await armed assistance from the gov't, not those just beaten to death in their sleep or mowed down by a drunk running a red light in a car. Dead is dead, being an "innocent" crime victim is being an "innocent" crime victim - unless you have a political agenda in mind, of course.
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    Re: Which of these memorials is appropriate?

    As long as it is a memorial paid for with private funds placed on private property, build memorials to anything you want as far as I am concerned.

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    Re: Which of these memorials is appropriate?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    We can call it a monument to gov't trusting morons,
    A rather callous way to characterize the people killed in Sandy Hook. But it is revealing.
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    Re: Which of these memorials is appropriate?

    That's easy - none of the above. Ray and others already said why.

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    Re: Which of these memorials is appropriate?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Which of these memorials is appropriate?

    A Mathew Sheppard memorial built by Fred Phelps.
    A gun-free zone memorial honoring all the people murdered by guns in gun free zones.
    A 2nd amendment memorial honoring all the people murdered by guns.
    None of those are appropriate.
    Other
    I do not know.
    Whichever one the local people desire.
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    Re: Which of these memorials is appropriate?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    A rather callous way to characterize the people killed in Sandy Hook. But it is revealing.
    No more callous that your treatment of all non-mass murder victims. Did the rest simply have it comming? Did those not killed, but merely injured, raped or beaten not suffer as well from crime? It is silly to elevate only a few selected crime victims to "memorable" status. Get over yourself! Your concern is obviously not for all crime victims but for trying to assert some "root cause" nonsense, specifically the right to self armed defense, as a major "contributing factor" to being a crime victim. Focus upon the mass shooting crimes, averaging two per year, in a nation of 310 million people, with about as many guns as people, is a great for the liberal cause of gun control, but is hardly adressing the majority of crime victims, or even gun crime victims. A gun alone, has not committed a single crime, that requires a criminal, with intent (or insanity) to abuse it.
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