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  • A Mathew Sheppard memorial built by Fred Phelps.

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  • A gun-free zone memorial honoring all the people murdered by guns in gun free zones.

    1 11.11%
  • A 2nd amendment memorial honoring all the people murdered with guns.

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  • None of those are appropriate.

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  • Other

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    Re: Which of these memorials is appropriate?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Some years ago I was in Washington DC on business and accompanied a friend to the Viet Nam Memorial as he had a brother who died there. I left him to be alone with his experience and I wandered up and down the structure. Along the way there was an older woman who was watching a hippy-ish looking man on a ladder up near the top of the wall where it gets taller in the middle. He had a piece of paper and was doing a rubbing of a name. He climbed down and presented it to the woman who clutched it to her chest and would not let go. She was crying and tried to mouth the words 'thank you' to the man but the words just would not come out. Some other person - probably a relative thanked the man and the woman buried her head into the persons chest and really sobbed. I had to wipe away tear just witnessing this amazing moment and wondering what it could possible have meant to her.

    Yeah - we got too many damn memorials..... freakin waste of time, land and money.
    Sounds like you are saying its used as a source to remember those we lost, but then, there is thousands of things that do the same thing and don't have any of the down sides as this.

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    Re: Which of these memorials is appropriate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Sounds like you are saying its used as a source to remember those we lost, but then, there is thousands of things that do the same thing and don't have any of the down sides as this.
    Down sides? What are you talking about?
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    Re: Which of these memorials is appropriate?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    We can call it a monument to gov't trusting morons, reminding us of those killed in "gun free" zones, and can list the response time of police in each case. I see you express "special" concern only for those that died in a group due to gunfire, the poor slob killed in their sleep so that a criminal could ransack their home does not make the grade, or the child hit with a stray bullet from a drive by shooting. Sad that to be "innocent", in your warped world, one must be included in a "big" crime involving a gun, fleeing like a bunny or cringing like a coward as they await armed assistance from the gov't, not those just beaten to death in their sleep or mowed down by a drunk running a red light in a car. Dead is dead, being an "innocent" crime victim is being an "innocent" crime victim - unless you have a political agenda in mind, of course.
    This reminds me of the posts written by children on CraigsList.

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    Re: Which of these memorials is appropriate?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Disagree, of course, and what you say, ttwwt, is not true..
    I do feel that a "no guns" zone is a poor idea given the quality of people that we have...Buy backs are another concept of dubious worth..
    Now I believe that the 2nd amendment should be repealed. Concisely and properly rewritten for the times of the 21st century, not 300 years ago..
    I gave you a "like" for both your honesty and your clearly stated 2A position. Of the two, I really like only the former.

    Out of cuiousity, just what exactly would you recommend as the "up to date" 2A wording?
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    Re: Which of these memorials is appropriate?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I know of no memorial where it is built and part of the deal is that action is taken to prevent a recurrence.

    Do you?
    The Holocaust Memorial.

    http://www.ushmm.org/
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    Re: Which of these memorials is appropriate?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    You are not a "lover of mankind" are you ?
    Closer is the opposite of that, IMO.
    How do you figure?

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    Re: Which of these memorials is appropriate?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    What action was taken in conjunction with the building of the Memorial to prevent the nazi's in Germany from doing it again?

    What is it you fear from being prevented again in this country with a memorial to the dead?
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    Re: Which of these memorials is appropriate?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What action was taken in conjunction with the building of the Memorial to prevent the nazi's in Germany from doing it again?

    What is it you fear from being prevented again in this country with a memorial to the dead?
    Does WWII sound familiar to you?
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    Re: Which of these memorials is appropriate?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Does WWII sound familiar to you?
    The Holocaust Memorial in Washington DC prevented WW2 from happening again?

    What is you are afraid will be prevented from happening again if we build a memorial to the Sandy Hook dead?
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    Re: Which of these memorials is appropriate?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The Holocaust Memorial in Washington DC prevented WW2 from happening again?

    What is you are afraid will be prevented from happening again if we build a memorial to the Sandy Hook dead?
    Stop the nonsense. I said building a memorial to a tragedy alone is silly if there is no action taken to stop it/prevent a recurrence. "Fear" has nothing to do with my post, yet you seem be stuck on that word. To prevent a Sandy Hook crime would require ESP, and better school security, as I have explained as well. While the perp was clearly crazy, even criminally insane, we had no system in place to involuntariliy commit him, in fact, many that knew him said that he was a "nice quiet boy". Disarming the entire nation is not going to happen, so efforts to prevent crimes before they happen must be taken in different areas.
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