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  • A Mathew Sheppard memorial built by Fred Phelps.

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  • A gun-free zone memorial honoring all the people murdered by guns in gun free zones.

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  • A 2nd amendment memorial honoring all the people murdered with guns.

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  • None of those are appropriate.

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    Re: Which of these memorials is appropriate?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    No more callous that your treatment of all non-mass murder victims. Did the rest simply have it comming? Did those not killed, but merely injured, raped or beaten not suffer as well from crime? It is silly to elevate only a few selected crime victims to "memorable" status. Get over yourself! Your concern is obviously not for all crime victims but for trying to assert some "root cause" nonsense, specifically the right to self armed defense, as a major "contributing factor" to being a crime victim. Focus upon the mass shooting crimes, averaging two per year, in a nation of 310 million people, with about as many guns as people, is a great for the liberal cause of gun control, but is hardly adressing the majority of crime victims, or even gun crime victims. A gun alone, has not committed a single crime, that requires a criminal, with intent (or insanity) to abuse it.
    That makes no sense on any level.

    You call the victims of mass murders morons. How does that equate with anything I have said?
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    Re: Which of these memorials is appropriate?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That makes no sense on any level.

    You call the victims of mass murders morons. How does that equate with anything I have said?
    Anyone that accepts legally requiring all to remain unarmed, in a "gun free" zone, while offered no other other means of protection, not so much as a single security officer or even locked doors, is indeed a moron. Try placing a large sign on your lawn decalring it to be a gun free zone and see if that makes you feel safer, or just more of a moron.
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    Re: Which of these memorials is appropriate?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Anyone that accepts legally requiring all to remain unarmed, in a "gun free" zone, while offered no other other means of protection, not so much as a single security officer or even locked doors, is indeed a moron. Try placing a large sign on your lawn decalring it to be a gun free zone and see if that makes you feel safer, or just more of a moron.
    So those 26 people slaughtered at Sandy Hook were then morons in your estimation.
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    Re: Which of these memorials is appropriate?

    More memorials we need NOT.
    No vote...
    What we do need is to learn as a nation ...to better ourselves...I doubt if the first step has been taken....the first step is to repeal the 2nd amandment....and rewrite it concisely and for the times..
    I'll give Congress 50 years for this task...
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    Re: Which of these memorials is appropriate?

    Memorials have and will always be a waste of time, land, and money. I see absolutely no reason they should exist to begin with let alone add more memorials on top of the ones we already have. I don't frankly care if people want to build them on their own property for whatever purpose they desire, but like memorials built by the government they are also entirely pointless. Just an enormous waste of resources, time, labor, land, and money standing there for all to see demonstrating how stupid the person that put that thing there is.
    Last edited by Henrin; 01-28-13 at 03:04 PM.

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    Re: Which of these memorials is appropriate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Memorials have and will always be a waste of time, land, and money. I see absolutely no reason they should exist to begin with let alone add more memorials on top of the ones we already have.
    Some years ago I was in Washington DC on business and accompanied a friend to the Viet Nam Memorial as he had a brother who died there. I left him to be alone with his experience and I wandered up and down the structure. Along the way there was an older woman who was watching a hippy-ish looking man on a ladder up near the top of the wall where it gets taller in the middle. He had a piece of paper and was doing a rubbing of a name. He climbed down and presented it to the woman who clutched it to her chest and would not let go. She was crying and tried to mouth the words 'thank you' to the man but the words just would not come out. Some other person - probably a relative thanked the man and the woman buried her head into the persons chest and really sobbed. I had to wipe away tear just witnessing this amazing moment and wondering what it could possible have meant to her.

    Yeah - we got too many damn memorials..... freakin waste of time, land and money.
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    Re: Which of these memorials is appropriate?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Anyone that accepts legally requiring all to remain unarmed, in a "gun free" zone, while offered no other other means of protection, not so much as a single security officer or even locked doors, is indeed a moron. Try placing a large sign on your lawn decalring it to be a gun free zone and see if that makes you feel safer, or just more of a moron.
    Disagree, of course, and what you say, ttwwt, is not true..
    I do feel that a "no guns" zone is a poor idea given the quality of people that we have...Buy backs are another concept of dubious worth..
    Now I believe that the 2nd amendment should be repealed. Concisely and properly rewritten for the times of the 21st century, not 300 years ago..

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    Re: Which of these memorials is appropriate?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So those 26 people slaughtered at Sandy Hook were then morons in your estimation.
    Only if they are allowed to be memorialized rather than have action taken to prevent a recurrence. You do realize that every gun "banned" from 1994 to 2004 was still "on the street", that adding registration/taxation to all existing "legal" guns, or any other crime "prevention" program based on gun control, will not stop those intent on "going out with a bang" from doing so.

    My point is that you do not have to lock yourself in a vault to be less likely to be a crime victim, you simply have to make it a bit harder to get to you than to get to your neighbor. Criminals are basically lazy cowards and will hit the easiest perceived target of opportunity.

    The CT school target was known to the perp, as his mother volunteered there, so that was sort of a special case, as was the Columbine deal, the targets were familiar territory. The fact remains that the softer the target the more likely it is to be tried. It still amazes me that the first victim, the perps own mother, executed in her own bed, is excluded as a crime victim in your mind.
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    Re: Which of these memorials is appropriate?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Only if they are allowed to be memorialized rather than have action taken to prevent a recurrence.
    I know of no memorial where it is built and part of the deal is that action is taken to prevent a recurrence.

    Do you?
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    Re: Which of these memorials is appropriate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Memorials have and will always be a waste of time, land, and money. I see absolutely no reason they should exist to begin with let alone add more memorials on top of the ones we already have. I don't frankly care if people want to build them on their own property for whatever purpose they desire, but like memorials built by the government they are also entirely pointless. Just an enormous waste of resources, time, labor, land, and money standing there for all to see demonstrating how stupid the person that put that thing there is.
    You are not a "lover of mankind" are you ?
    Closer is the opposite of that, IMO.

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