View Poll Results: What is your religion?

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  • Christian (Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox, or other)

    64 42.11%
  • Agnostic

    24 15.79%
  • Atheist

    37 24.34%
  • Muslim (Sunni, Shi'a, Sufi, or other)

    3 1.97%
  • Buddhist

    4 2.63%
  • Hindu

    1 0.66%
  • Jewish

    3 1.97%
  • Eastern Philosophy (Confucian, Taoist, Shinto, etc.)

    1 0.66%
  • Polytheist/Neo-pagan

    2 1.32%
  • Other

    13 8.55%
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    Re: What is your religious denomination?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    What does that mean?
    I'm not an asshole to people of contrary beliefs.
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    Re: What is your religious denomination?

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Basten View Post
    I'm not an asshole to people of contrary beliefs.
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    Re: What is your religious denomination?

    Quote Originally Posted by finebead View Post
    You lump Darwin with Einstein, and they are not the same. Einstein wrote down the rules of physics, the special and general theories of relativity, and he PROVED them beyond a shadow of a doubt. Newton wrote down his attempt at the rules of physics and they worked for everything that was provable when he wrote them. Einstein went much farther and his extensions were definitively PROVEN.

    Theory Of Relativity

    That degree of precision would me needed to control a nuclear reaction and make one splitting of the atom into a bomb vs. another splitting of the atom into an electric generating facility. Darwin wrote down his theory and it has never been proven. Darwin certainly never set out to prove god does not exist, and he did not prove that. You must differentiate between what is proven and what is theory. As you point out, the origin of life has not been explained at all. Scientists are working on it, but don't have it yet and they may never get there.
    -_-

    Evolution is fact. A theory is a scientific explanation of an observed phenomenon, whereas laws (your quoted of "rules of physics") is a description of observed phenomenon. You may deny that all species on the planet Earth descended from a common ancestor to your heart's content, but you will never be able to refute evolution because that would be akin to trying to refute gravity, germ theory or heliocentrism. We know evolution happens because we can observe it even in the simplest organisms like viruses, and find it in complex organisms through the fossil record. It is simply unambiguous. It is the foundation of modern biology, supported by massive amounts of evidence collected from biology, zoology, botany, geology, genetics, paleontology, microbiology, virology and countless other scientific fields of knowledge. Science is not a cabal of Satanists. Evolutionary biology either lives or dies by evidence, and evidence has carried and proven this theory for near a century and a half.

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    Re: What is your religious denomination?

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    -_-

    Evolution is fact. A theory is a scientific explanation of an observed phenomenon, whereas laws (your quoted of "rules of physics") is a description of observed phenomenon. You may deny that all species on the planet Earth descended from a common ancestor to your heart's content, but you will never be able to refute evolution because that would be akin to trying to refute gravity, germ theory or heliocentrism. We know evolution happens because we can observe it even in the simplest organisms like viruses, and find it in complex organisms through the fossil record. It is simply unambiguous. It is the foundation of modern biology, supported by massive amounts of evidence collected from biology, zoology, botany, geology, genetics, paleontology, microbiology, virology and countless other scientific fields of knowledge. Science is not a cabal of Satanists. Evolutionary biology either lives or dies by evidence, and evidence has carried and proven this theory for near a century and a half.
    There is no doubt that life has progressed from simpler to more complex forms. The question is, was that all an accident (natural selection), or was there some intelligent design behind it. Same set of events, the progressive complexity of life forms, does not explain WHY it happened that way.

    As you have acknowledged, science has not explained where life came from. At one point the earth was too hot to support any life. Then it began to cool. Then single cell life appeared. How did that happen? Man is intelligent and advanced scientifically and in medicine, but with our super sophisticated equipment and energy sources, we can't put life into the building blocks of cells. But you're going to tell me that happened one fine day down in the mud pit when the solution had just the right composition, the right temp existed, and then a cell came to life... I think that leaves room for a god, an author of life.

    I think about this, I am not afraid of being an atheist, but the atheist have explaining to do.

    Where does life come from? Can the force of nature build more and more complex organisms by accident, when man with his intelligence in his laboratories cannot? This is contrary to what I see in the world. To build more and more complex devices requires intellect and a plan.

    Rounds stones were in the world for a long time, but carts did not exist until sufficient intellect assembled the round stone onto an axle. Intellect is required.

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    Re: What is your religious denomination?

    Quote Originally Posted by finebead View Post
    There is no doubt that life has progressed from simpler to more complex forms. The question is, was that all an accident (natural selection), or was there some intelligent design behind it. Same set of events, the progressive complexity of life forms, does not explain WHY it happened that way.
    Evolution demonstrates how the process of replication could give rise to the illusion of design. Organisms create copies of themselves, which create copies of themselves, to a possible endless sum of generations. Any errors in the copying process that are detrimental to the organism will cease its ability to replicate, while copying errors that are beneficial to replication will lead to that errors' dominance. After numerous generations, the successful replicators will seem to be designed for effectiveness, when in reality it is the simple accumulation of that organisms' accidentally successful copying errors that had lead to effective replicating. There is no design or intelligence in the process at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by finebead View Post
    As you have acknowledged, science has not explained where life came from. At one point the earth was too hot to support any life. Then it began to cool. Then single cell life appeared. How did that happen? Man is intelligent and advanced scientifically and in medicine, but with our super sophisticated equipment and energy sources, we can't put life into the building blocks of cells. But you're going to tell me that happened one fine day down in the mud pit when the solution had just the right composition, the right temp existed, and then a cell came to life... I think that leaves room for a god, an author of life.
    John von Neumann demonstrated proof in the 1950s that it is theoretically possible for a simple physical system to make exact copies of itself from surrounding materials. His work. Since then we have identified numerous molecules and crystals that can replicate in ways that would spawn natural selection. You can view some of them here. Beyond that, I believe you should be introduced to the Argument from Ignorance:

    1. There are things that we cannot explain yet.
    2. God did it.

    It is an informal logical fallacy that claims only a proposition is true only because it has not been proved as false. It represents a false dichotomy between true and false, and ignores the third option; that there is insufficient information available to prove the proposition true or false. In other words, Point 2 does not logically follow Point 1. I could have simply written -

    1. There are thing that we cannot explain yet.
    2. A wild hedgehog wearing a flower-print tea cozy did it.

    I think about this, I am not afraid of being an atheist, but the atheist have explaining to do.

    Where does life come from? Can the force of nature build more and more complex organisms by accident, when man with his intelligence in his laboratories cannot? This is contrary to what I see in the world. To build more and more complex devices requires intellect and a plan.

    Rounds stones were in the world for a long time, but carts did not exist until sufficient intellect assembled the round stone onto an axle. Intellect is required.
    Explained above.
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    Re: What is your religious denomination?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vapor View Post
    We've got a vast spread of political ideologies on this forum, let's see how diverse our religious beliefs are. I'm sure this has been done in the past, but...meh.

    This isn't intended as a catalyst for theological debates, but if that's where it leads...y'all have fun.

    I, personally, am an agnostic because A. I realized that the Christian stories I was raised with made no more sense than the Norse and Greek "Mythologies" and B. I don't feel like humanity is capable of understanding whatever supernatural force, if any, exists; if we can't stop killing each other, how can we expect to understand the nature of the universe? And C. almost all religions teach peace, yet they seem incapable of co-existing, and therefore, I have a problem with organized religion.
    You Left Out Atheist
    And YES, Atheism Is A RELIGION
    And Your Above Paragraph Is Pompous Hog-Wash

    And So Are YOU
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    Re: What is your religious denomination?

    Quote Originally Posted by karpenter View Post
    You Left Out Atheist
    And YES, Atheism Is A RELIGION
    And You Left Out Politics
    And YES, Politics Is A RELIGION

    any dogmatic belief can be classified as a religion.
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    Re: What is your religious denomination?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I was raised Baptist and continue to be one. To the opposite of atheists, I have seen many atrocities in this world and believe only God will ever stop them. I believe we, as human beings, are the culprits behind our decay, not God. We were given free will and have used it to the detriment of society from the beginning. We are a naturally destructive race and will continue to be by our own volition until the day Jesus returns. That's what I believe to be fact.
    I'm just curious and your post is so clear that I'll ask what is a simple question. It's not ment to be a put down. It is just to clarify how you are thinking and percieving stuff. So, what do you know to be a fact? High level please. thx

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    Re: What is your religious denomination?

    Quote Originally Posted by karpenter View Post
    You Left Out Atheist
    And YES, Atheism Is A RELIGION
    FALSE

    it can be but it doesnt have to be
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    Re: What is your religious denomination?

    Quote Originally Posted by objective-j View Post
    false

    it can be but it doesnt have to be
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