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    Do You Believe Covert Warfare Is Ethical?

    First off, I would like to give credit to J-Mac for this thread. He posted this story earlier and it made me wonder what others thought about this.
    Covert strikes, assassinations, etc have been interwoven into warfare for as long as warfare has been around. Even the Bible shows examples of covert action. So what say you? Do you believe the United States should engage in covert warfare?

    EDIT- Just for clarification, when I say "covert warfare" I'm speaking of assassinations, blowing up nuclear facilities and not claiming responsibility for it, infecting computers with viruses, etc. I am not speaking of spying on a country.
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    Re: Do You Believe Covert Warfare Is Ethical?

    Ollie North is a hero and Obama did a good job in Libya.


    You mean spies? Spies are good. Three little birds, singin' sweet songs is where it's at.

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    Re: Do You Believe Covert Warfare Is Ethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Ollie North is a hero and Obama did a good job in Libya.


    You mean spies? Spies are good. Three little birds, singin' sweet songs is where it's at.
    I mean covert warfare ie blowing up facilities, assassinations, etc., not spy craft Just mayhem in general. Not spying.
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    Re: Do You Believe Covert Warfare Is Ethical?

    I'm not cool with assassinations in general and heads of state specifically, as that is giving too much credit to one person and that's not really gonna solve the underlying problem.


    Spies:
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    Re: Do You Believe Covert Warfare Is Ethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    First off, I would like to give credit to J-Mac for this thread. He posted this story earlier and it made me wonder what others thought about this.
    Covert strikes, assassinations, etc have been interwoven into warfare for as long as warfare has been around. Even the Bible shows examples of covert action. So what say you? Do you believe the United States should engage in covert warfare?
    Under major limitations, yes. Assassination would be something I oppose for example.
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    Re: Do You Believe Covert Warfare Is Ethical?

    The current system is utterly unacceptable. The executive branch running around kidnapping, torturing and murdering people without oversight is insane, especially since American citizens are targeted.

    Its not always possible to arrest someone and drag them into a courtroom and assassination may be justified in extra-ordinary circumstances. However, that is no excuse for throwing out judicial oversight. There needs to be a trial in absentia, even if it is after the fact. If the government truly must kill someone, than they must justify that before a court of law.

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    Re: Do You Believe Covert Warfare Is Ethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    First off, I would like to give credit to J-Mac for this thread. He posted this story earlier and it made me wonder what others thought about this.
    Covert strikes, assassinations, etc have been interwoven into warfare for as long as warfare has been around. Even the Bible shows examples of covert action. So what say you? Do you believe the United States should engage in covert warfare?

    EDIT- Just for clarification, when I say "covert warfare" I'm speaking of assassinations, blowing up nuclear facilities and not claiming responsibility for it, infecting computers with viruses, etc. I am not speaking of spying on a country.
    Yes. It's not really an ethical question. I don't believe you can ever make war ethical. No matter how many rules you impliment, there will always be civilian casualties. And you will always find an enemy that will subvert the rules to gain the upper hand. Should we bend down to their level if we feel our way of waging war is more ethical. Well, that depends. If you care about the lives of your own countrymen, then yes. In some cases you will have to commit the unethical in order to be successful. But, only if the unethical act is a war ender, would I ever support such an act. Good example is the bombs dropped in Hiroshima and Nagasaki during WW2. Was it unethical to drop bombs on areas you know more civilians would be killed than military? Yes! But in the end, it saved millions of lives on both sides of that way by bringing an abrupt end. It is well known and agreed upon by most historians that Japan was willing to fight to the last man, woman and child to protect the mainland from invasion. This can be seen when you look at the many battles involving American forces invading Japanese territory. Nearly all Japanese fought to the last man. Very few POW's were taken. Dropping the bomb killed hundreds of thousands of people, but it saved probably millions of people from death. As a result, Japan has become the 3rd or 4th richest country in the world and on par with the first world nations when it comes to human rights. So, yes, sometimes the unethical is justified if the end result is an ethical one.
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    Re: Do You Believe Covert Warfare Is Ethical?

    I think the use of drone strikes into other nations is a very bad idea that will bite us in the buns. Makes us look like the overbearing E-Vile Empire that has no concern for the civilians we kill as long as we kill a leader of the opposition. It makes us look very cowardly and the bad guys bravely facing death on a daily basis no matter where they are.

    I don't think we do real covert actions much anymore, we seem more the spy in the sky and then Hellfire from a unmanned drone crowd these days.

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    Re: Do You Believe Covert Warfare Is Ethical?

    inosfar as any warfare can be claimed to be ethical, I believe covert warfare is ethical.

    and as an aside ,I do approve of assassinations....I find the very idea of saying it's fine to kill commoners in great numbers, but taking out leadership is no-no to be repugnant.

    besides that, covert warfare get you tons of bang for your buck

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    Re: Do You Believe Covert Warfare Is Ethical?

    Covert warfare beats the Hell out of sending good American boys to die on worthless foreign battlefields.

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