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    Re: Do You Believe Covert Warfare Is Ethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    "Covert" Warfare simply means warfare in which the actor is hidden or obfuscated. Some of PSYOPS, for example, and yes, also assassinations, or strikes where we wish to retain plausible deniability (for example, STUXNET).

    I would be inclined to say that the question of ethics here is less about the covert nature of the operation, and more to do with proportionality and CDE considerations.
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    Re: Do You Believe Covert Warfare Is Ethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    CDE?

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    Collateral Damage Estimation. So, for example, can we stop the tinpot dictator of Psychostan from invading Innocentistan next door by destroying his national lines of communication and impoverishing his entire people (overt).... or can we do it by giving an opposition group the ability to sneak an assassin into his bedroom (covert). In this instance, the tendency is to say that the covert option is ethical because it presents less collateral damage.
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    Re: Do You Believe Covert Warfare Is Ethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Collateral Damage Estimation. So, for example, can we stop the tinpot dictator of Psychostan from invading Innocentistan next door by destroying his national lines of communication and impoverishing his entire people (overt).... or can we do it by giving an opposition group the ability to sneak an assassin into his bedroom (covert)
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    Re: Do You Believe Covert Warfare Is Ethical?

    All is fair in love and war.
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    Re: Do You Believe Covert Warfare Is Ethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    All is fair in love and war.
    Just the war part......in the love part men carry spears while women control the nuclear warheads....

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    Re: Do You Believe Covert Warfare Is Ethical?

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    Re: Do You Believe Covert Warfare Is Ethical?

    I would be against assassinations of foreign heads of state, but otherwise, yeah covert ops have distinct advantages. If you can achieve your objectives with very small scale covert ops as opposed to very overt military actions, then covert is a far better choice.
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    Re: Do You Believe Covert Warfare Is Ethical?

    I would say it all depends on who is doing it for what reasons.
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    Re: Do You Believe Covert Warfare Is Ethical?

    1. Covert wars are unconstitutional

    [Congress shall have Power...] To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

    2. They are not covert to the people being attacked, they are mainly covert to the USA's residents and tax payers, and often, authorized policy makers.

    3. Because they are not openly debated, they are usually immoral mistakes that result in serious blowback later (as seen in the muddle east today). With covert war there is no requirement that our leaders prove the necessity of the war, so these wars may simply be about corporate interests, political maneuvers, petty ego clashes etc. (even more so than official wars)

    4. It should not be the USA's role to be the world's policeman. The cold war and the "war on terror" were/are largely unnecessary wastes of resources and lives.

    To deal with terrorist type threats, a law enforcement/espionage type model is most appropriate, not bombing whole villages with drones.

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    Re: Do You Believe Covert Warfare Is Ethical?

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