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    Do You Believe Covert Warfare Is Ethical?

    In itself absolutely. On a per case basis, I believe that is where we must focus.
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    Re: Do You Believe Covert Warfare Is Ethical?

    I'm with Ray410. If it saves American lives, it is worth it for us to engage in the practice. As far as I am concerned, it is the duty of those involved to do it under such circumstances.

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    Re: Do You Believe Covert Warfare Is Ethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Covert warfare beats the Hell out of sending good American boys to die on worthless foreign battlefields.
    Covert warfare is likely to backfire. That has happened a considerable number of times for the United States.

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    Re: Do You Believe Covert Warfare Is Ethical?

    Covert warfare's rarely been about being ethically sound.
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    Re: Do You Believe Covert Warfare Is Ethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    Covert warfare is likely to backfire. That has happened a considerable number of times for the United States.
    That's presuming things could not have been worse.

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    Re: Do You Believe Covert Warfare Is Ethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Basten View Post
    Covert warfare's rarely been about being ethically sound.
    That's an accurate assessment. I can not give blanket approval to covert warfare unless I have absolute trust in my leadership. As we have the best government "money can buy" at this time, I don't feel that absolute trust. Just observe the weasels trying to convict everyone at Guantanamo without true justice. It is the same ethical bag of snakes behind covert warfare.

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    Re: Do You Believe Covert Warfare Is Ethical?

    Yes and no. Covert warfare whose execution has been okayed by the legislature or jurisprudence is acceptable in my book but under certain circumstances only. If a government is granted this power then it must be a tempered one.

    However, covert operations aim to fulfill their mission objectives without any parties knowing who sponsored or carried out the operation. No government so far has shown that it can exercise due diligence as an executor of covert warfare and every single one (without exception) that has been caught has been historically proven to make cruel decisions.

    Our own government has shown it is willing to destabilize entire nations and kill thousands of people in order to benefit a select group of people. This is not a power that can be entrusted to the President alone and it should require justification and record among the Branches of Power.

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    Re: Do You Believe Covert Warfare Is Ethical?

    Ethical? Of course not. But... sometimes necessary.
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    Re: Do You Believe Covert Warfare Is Ethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Covert warfare beats the Hell out of sending good American boys to die on worthless foreign battlefields.
    I would agree, however, many blame us for covert warfare. We had to support some pretty heinous people to do all the fighting for us during the cold war. Which is why we are in the situation we are in now. The current conflict is backlash for supporting dictators in the ME. Supporting these dictators did subject people to terrible human rights violations, but it saved the world from a nuclear end. Many people do not realize this or simply choose to ignore it because they are looking at it from the present perspective. We would have thought of it a lot differently if we had not supported covert warfare and directly confronted the USSR. If we had done that, neither the USSR or the USA would be around today. And many countries caught in between would have suffered even more.
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    Re: Do You Believe Covert Warfare Is Ethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    First off, I would like to give credit to J-Mac for this thread. He posted this story earlier and it made me wonder what others thought about this.
    Covert strikes, assassinations, etc have been interwoven into warfare for as long as warfare has been around. Even the Bible shows examples of covert action. So what say you? Do you believe the United States should engage in covert warfare?

    EDIT- Just for clarification, when I say "covert warfare" I'm speaking of assassinations, blowing up nuclear facilities and not claiming responsibility for it, infecting computers with viruses, etc. I am not speaking of spying on a country.
    "Covert" Warfare simply means warfare in which the actor is hidden or obfuscated. Some of PSYOPS, for example, and yes, also assassinations, or strikes where we wish to retain plausible deniability (for example, STUXNET).

    I would be inclined to say that the question of ethics here is less about the covert nature of the operation, and more to do with proportionality and CDE considerations.

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