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    Re: Should we be sending F16 fighter planes to Egypt?

    We shouldn't sell arms to any middle eastern country, including Israel.

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    Re: Should we be sending F16 fighter planes to Egypt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    We shouldn't sell arms to any middle eastern country, including Israel.
    We shouldn't arm Israel, the only liberal western democracy in the mideast? That's a death sentence. There's no way Russian or Chinese gear could hold their lines. As this is not the mideast forum, I will not continue but your desire for the end of Israel is noted.

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    Re: Should we be sending F16 fighter planes to Egypt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    What do you think?
    No, I don't think so. However with oil's dangerous oligopoly power over personal transportation in the US, without which our economy would grind to a screeching halt over night, much of our foreign policy for over half a century has been to ensure stabilization to the best extent possible in regions of the world where vital oil reserves are located. This has and continues to include military support of various forms to regimes that do not share our values for the sake of our own economy. As long as petroleum holds practically the exclusive power over American personal transportation and by extension an important aspect of our economy's ability to function, unfortunately we're going to have to be in bed with dictators from barbaric to benign while the people they rule over often with an iron fist blame us for their lot in life or don't think we're good enough to even be involved in their part of the world, some of whom are willing commit suicide if it means they get to take some of us out in the process.

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    Beats the heck out of having highjacked jets flying into our skyscrapers because terrorists don't want us involved in their part of the world and are trying to drive out the infidels nor do they apparently want our money either. In fairness, most of our money actually goes to the dictators to build gold laced palaces and not the average person living there but still, its high time to pick up our marbles and leave if ask me.
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    Re: Should we be sending F16 fighter planes to Egypt?

    Realistically we lose little by continuing to sell and supply arms to Egypt, and we risk much be ceasing our long-standing military support. Egypt already has amassed a preponderance of Western arms, munitions, and equipment, what more is scheduled for 2013 is not going to alter or heavily impact the balance of power in Egypt or in the region. We do not know what the end game for Egypt is, and we still have reason to hope that Egypt will emerge into greater stability and democratic firmness. I don't think the benefits of undercutting the Egyptian state is worth the benefits at the moment.

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    Re: Should we be sending F16 fighter planes to Egypt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Realistically we lose little by continuing to sell and supply arms to Egypt, and we risk much be ceasing our long-standing military support. Egypt already has amassed a preponderance of Western arms, munitions, and equipment, what more is scheduled for 2013 is not going to alter or heavily impact the balance of power in Egypt or in the region. We do not know what the end game for Egypt is, and we still have reason to hope that Egypt will emerge into greater stability and democratic firmness. I don't think the benefits of undercutting the Egyptian state is worth the benefits at the moment.
    Well yes, Israel could probably knock all 20 out of the sky in short order if they were used against Israel. But what does it say to other countries if we provide weapons to a nation with a leader who represents the Muslim Brotherhood? Doesn't it appear like tacit acceptance of the MB?
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    Re: Should we be sending F16 fighter planes to Egypt?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    We shouldn't arm Israel, the only liberal western democracy in the mideast? That's a death sentence. There's no way Russian or Chinese gear could hold their lines. As this is not the mideast forum, I will not continue but your desire for the end of Israel is noted.
    Democracy? Are you kidding? They're just as bad as their neighboring countries. There is no democracy in the middle east. We should have never established ties with any country there. And we should stay out of their holy wars. I'm an atheist. I shouldn't have to get killed thanks to America's religious fanaticism that makes people blindly support a country the size of New Jersey because it's supposed to be the land of holly bull****.

    We should cut all ties with every middle eastern country. And we should throw religion in the trash where it belongs. Religion is a mental illness. It was created for primitive savages who had no science and didn't know any better. If every person in the world threw their Bibles, their Korans, their Bhagavad Gitas, etc. into a latrine pit where they belong, we wouldn't have these stupid holy wars.

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    Re: Should we be sending F16 fighter planes to Egypt?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    We shouldn't arm Israel, the only liberal western democracy in the mideast? That's a death sentence. There's no way Russian or Chinese gear could hold their lines. As this is not the mideast forum, I will not continue but your desire for the end of Israel is noted.
    No, we should not be arming anyone and if Israel gets wiped off the map, so be it. That's how war works. The strong win, the weak lose. And yes, I want to see a nice asteroid impact right in the middle of Jerusalem.
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    Re: Should we be sending F16 fighter planes to Egypt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    Democracy? Are you kidding? They're just as bad as their neighboring countries. There is no democracy in the middle east. We should have never established ties with any country there. And we should stay out of their holy wars. I'm an atheist. I shouldn't have to get killed thanks to America's religious fanaticism that makes people blindly support a country the size of New Jersey because it's supposed to be the land of holly bull****.

    We should cut all ties with every middle eastern country. And we should throw religion in the trash where it belongs. Religion is a mental illness. It was created for primitive savages who had no science and didn't know any better. If every person in the world threw their Bibles, their Korans, their Bhagavad Gitas, etc. into a latrine pit where they belong, we wouldn't have these stupid holy wars.
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    Re: Should we be sending F16 fighter planes to Egypt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    Democracy? Are you kidding? They're just as bad as their neighboring countries. There is no democracy in the middle east. We should have never established ties with any country there. And we should stay out of their holy wars. I'm an atheist.
    That's staggering ignorance! I'm also atheist, so I guess that kills that BS you were selling.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No, we should not be arming anyone and if Israel gets wiped off the map, so be it. That's how war works. The strong win, the weak lose. And yes, I want to see a nice asteroid impact right in the middle of Jerusalem.
    Wow, you really hate Israel. Ok, guess there's no debate to be had there.

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    Re: Should we be sending F16 fighter planes to Egypt?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Wow, you really hate Israel. Ok, guess there's no debate to be had there.
    And rightfully so. Israel has one of the worst records on human rights violations out there.
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