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    Re: Should we be sending F16 fighter planes to Egypt?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Ok but expecting the government to take care of things when you don't personally, and ignoring that the US is doing so better than any country in the world, is kinda meh. It's a hollow objection.

    And it's not like we can magically turn those f16s, and the R&D that went into them, into food.
    there's nothing magic about it. it's about a crafting new global mission statement, and slowly transitioning into implementation of that mission.

    it's my opinion that military interventionism has passed the point of diminishing returns, and that our next global mission should be humanitarian.

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    Re: Should we be sending F16 fighter planes to Egypt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    it's my opinion that military interventionism has passed the point of diminishing returns, and that our next global mission should be humanitarian.
    I find world freedom humanitarian and ecobeneficial. I'm not gonna stop advocating war until all of my brothers and sisters are free.

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    Re: Should we be sending F16 fighter planes to Egypt?

    Considering it is our FA that's paying for them? eh, no. Let's end corporate subsidies.

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    Re: Should we be sending F16 fighter planes to Egypt?

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    Actually, no it is not. International trade agreements don't operate like 7-Elevens. When you sign a contract, you cannot simply terminate that contract however you want - you can only terminate the contract under terms specified in the contract. Ever rented an apartment before? You can't just move out and stop paying rent. You are bound by the terms of the contract to pay rent until the end of the time period specified.

    No one here is privy to the terms under which we are delivering F-16s to the Egyptians. Likely, it's not simple matter of saying "we don't want to give you F-16s anymore because we don't feel like it".

    Destroying our reputation by not abiding to terms of agreements we make would be very damaging to us - equivalent to ****ing your credit score by not paying back your loans - no one will want to sign future agreements with you anymore if they don't trust you to hold up your end of the bargain.
    You make a good point that we don't know the details of the agreement. Contracts can be nullified for many reasons. It's highly possible that the agreement is nullified if the government the agreement was made with, it replaced entirely. It's also highly likely that the US demands as part of the agreement, that a government formerly hostile to a US regional ally, promise to never use the weapons or treaten to use these weapons against the US or it's allies. If such a clause were not present it would constitute one of the greatest foreign policy errors ever. Without knowing all the specifics we cannot be certain the US is violating anything. Lastly, if our allies realize we are so unbelievably naive as to sell advanced weapons to nations openly hostile to our allies, then our equivalent credit score would be the very least of our worries.
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    Re: Should we be sending F16 fighter planes to Egypt?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Not selling outdated military equipment is economic and political suicide.
    I could care less if it economic suicide,besides that our elected officials do not seem to care about our finances except for when its politically convenient. It will be politacal suicide anyways when those people we sold that equipment to are using them against our troops.
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    Re: Should we be sending F16 fighter planes to Egypt?

    I don't think its about Egypt at all.

    It is about ourselves.

    Why are we giving money to other countries while ours is in a lot of debt? Anyone wanna venture a guess into that?

    Foreign aid should be drastically cut (if not completely) until we get out of this deficit. We cannot continue to do this for very long, but people don't seem to understand. We have to cut back on expenses. It is a matter of economic survival, but nobody wants to tighten the belt and get serious about the issue.

    We have a lot to deal with here at home....we should not be catering to any other country for any other purpose until we fix our own home.
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    Re: Should we be sending F16 fighter planes to Egypt?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Ok but expecting the government to take care of things when you don't personally, and ignoring that the US is doing so better than any country in the world, is kinda meh. It's a hollow objection.

    And it's not like we can magically turn those f16s, and the R&D that went into them, into food. Egypt is free to sell them, to approved countries, and buy food. Why is it our bad?
    or, use them to put down that pesky uprising against a totalitarian regime. Once we give them to our buddy, Hosni, he can do whatever he wants with them.
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    Re: Should we be sending F16 fighter planes to Egypt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    or, use them to put down that pesky uprising against a totalitarian regime. Once we give them to our buddy, Hosni, he can do whatever he wants with them.
    Stripped of context, no consideration for how things coulda gone worse, no history or priorities, no consideration that things have changed... yeah... typical Che-t-shirt level analysis. USA baaaaaad.

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    Re: Should we be sending F16 fighter planes to Egypt?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Stripped of context, no consideration for how things coulda gone worse, no history or priorities, no consideration that things have changed... yeah... typical Che-t-shirt level analysis. USA baaaaaad.
    In the context of the uprising in Egypt, and of how things actually are worse in that country, given the history of totalitarian regimes around the world, the priorities that include... what? supporting dictatorships? considering that things have changed in Egypt, no, USA not baaaaad, just doing stupid things as a foreign policy.

    Did you parrot the slogan "my country right or wrong" during the Vietnam era as well?
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    Re: Should we be sending F16 fighter planes to Egypt?

    Sure, why not? We could use the $$$ and jobs. If not, they will just buy similar aircraft from France and Russia. Its not about the aircraft anyway. It is about the armaments and electronics.

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