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    Re: Should we be sending F16 fighter planes to Egypt?

    We should continue to fulfill our end of agreements to which we have already committed. But we should certainly be more cautious about making any such arrangements in the future.

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    Re: Should we be sending F16 fighter planes to Egypt?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    sure, with an override kill switch that only we can operate, or operates automatically if any on them get too close to Israel....
    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    I was thinking of something like that too. Maybe an RF kill switch on the fuel pump for the engine. Then give Israel the RF frequency. Any funny business with the planes, woops no power.
    Fuel pumps are simple things. It would be hard to hide a switch or anything in that system. Better to embed it in the fly-by-wire system. That way there would be a plausible reason to have a wire linking it somewhere to the outside (to connect an antenna). The F-16 is an entirely fly-by-wire jet, no mechanical linkages, so you could have it disable that system and the plane drops out of the sky. It's what they call "negative stability," which makes the plane more maneuverable because it doesn't have to overcome it's own stability in order to move. But this requires a quadplex system to make thousands of computer controlled corrections per second. To demonstrate, grab a piece of paper and pull it through the air; it will follow behind you in a relatively flat line. Now, try to "push" the paper through the air from the back, and see what happens.

    I wouldn't give Israel the code though. They could easily disable any jets within their range, or hell, any jet on any ramp anywhere if they smuggled a radio in. It would look like "an accident."
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    Re: Should we be sending F16 fighter planes to Egypt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    What do you think?
    Absolutely. We should sell them whatever they want short of nukes. Arm their enemies too while we are at it. Make a very handsome sum too.
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    Re: Should we be sending F16 fighter planes to Egypt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    What do you think?
    I answered yes but I dont think even remotely they are our ally. I just believe we should sell our arms to EVERYONE including the Chinease and the Russians. We should just go ahead and start really pumping weapons systems out and seeing to it every nation that wishes to be armed is using OUR equipment. Its time to put the Russians out of the arms business. I will let you guess why. Hint think counterintuitively.
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    Re: Should we be sending F16 fighter planes to Egypt?

    No, I don't think it's such a great idea. We really shouldn't be selling military hardware to countries who aren't very staunch allies. And even with those I'd hesitate to sell them our best stuff.
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    Re: Should we be sending F16 fighter planes to Egypt?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    No, I don't think it's such a great idea. We really shouldn't be selling military hardware to countries who aren't very staunch allies. And even with those I'd hesitate to sell them our best stuff.
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    Re: Should we be sending F16 fighter planes to Egypt?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    To be fair, their military operates autonomously of the gov't. They have seperate leadership chains. I still disagree with giving them the birds. Just sayin.
    I know they don't agree. I think the military wanted to hold on to power partly because Morsi was all ready to attack Israel immediately. An obvious stupid move. Luckily, the military nixed that idea. But who's to say the current military leadership will stay in power. Someone might have an "accident." So yeah, lets hold onto the birds for now and see how things play out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    Fuel pumps are simple things. It would be hard to hide a switch or anything in that system. Better to embed it in the fly-by-wire system. That way there would be a plausible reason to have a wire linking it somewhere to the outside (to connect an antenna). The F-16 is an entirely fly-by-wire jet, no mechanical linkages, so you could have it disable that system and the plane drops out of the sky. It's what they call "negative stability," which makes the plane more maneuverable because it doesn't have to overcome it's own stability in order to move. But this requires a quadplex system to make thousands of computer controlled corrections per second. To demonstrate, grab a piece of paper and pull it through the air; it will follow behind you in a relatively flat line. Now, try to "push" the paper through the air from the back, and see what happens.

    I wouldn't give Israel the code though. They could easily disable any jets within their range, or hell, any jet on any ramp anywhere if they smuggled a radio in. It would look like "an accident."
    Yeah, I'm familiar with fly-by-wire. And that would be a good place to hide an RF Receiver. A lot of the maintenance in modern planes involves replacing "modules" which contain many components. Rather than fixing broken modules, you simply replace them, and that's how an extra component could remain hidden. But we would only place this "add-on" in Egyptian F-16s, so they are only ones that could be disabled in this manner.
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    Re: Should we be sending F16 fighter planes to Egypt?

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    I know they don't agree. I think the military wanted to hold on to power partly because Morsi was all ready to attack Israel immediately. An obvious stupid move. Luckily, the military nixed that idea. But who's to say the current military leadership will stay in power. Someone might have an "accident." So yeah, lets hold onto the birds for now and see how things play out.
    Oh yeah, I agree with you. Just pointing it out for those that didn't know that.
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    Re: Should we be sending F16 fighter planes to Egypt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    What do you think?
    No, Hell no, no way, not in this lifetime.

    In other words, I don't think it's a good idea.

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    Read more: U.S. gift of F-16 fighters headed to Egypt, despite Morsi's harsh rhetoric | Fox News
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    Re: Should we be sending F16 fighter planes to Egypt?

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    We should continue to fulfill our end of agreements to which we have already committed. But we should certainly be more cautious about making any such arrangements in the future.
    Screw that, they are not keeping their end of the agreement why should we?
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