View Poll Results: Should people wait until marriage to have children?

Voters
76. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes

    60 78.95%
  • No

    3 3.95%
  • I don't know

    2 2.63%
  • I don't care

    11 14.47%
Page 21 of 22 FirstFirst ... 1119202122 LastLast
Results 201 to 210 of 218

Thread: Should people wait until marriage to have children?

  1. #201
    Guru
    ChuckBerry's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    Lafayette, Louisiana
    Last Seen
    10-28-13 @ 01:24 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    3,491

    Re: Should people wait until marriage to have children?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    According to what I was taught, it has to be someone who is ordained to perform a baptism. Neither of my parents were ever ordained.
    Who can perform a Catholic baptism?

    Anyone can perform a baptism, however this is typically in extreme cases. The Catholic Church has ordinary ministers for sacraments and those are bishops, priests, and sometimes deacons. Most baptisms are done by a priest when the person is an infant, but there are extreme cases when even an unbaptized person can baptize someone. All that is required is “the will to do what the Church does when she baptizes, and to apply the Trinitarian Baptismal formula.” If this is done it is usaully because someone is lying on his/her deathbed and they truly desire to become Christian. How is this type of Baptism valid you ask? Well, the Church believes in the universal saving will of God and the necessity of Baptism for salvation (1 Timothy 2:4, John 3:5).


    A Guide to Catholic Baptism - About Catholics
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

  2. #202
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Last Seen
    07-16-14 @ 01:18 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    47,571

    Re: Should people wait until marriage to have children?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Who can perform a Catholic baptism?

    Anyone can perform a baptism, however this is typically in extreme cases. The Catholic Church has ordinary ministers for sacraments and those are bishops, priests, and sometimes deacons. Most baptisms are done by a priest when the person is an infant, but there are extreme cases when even an unbaptized person can baptize someone. All that is required is “the will to do what the Church does when she baptizes, and to apply the Trinitarian Baptismal formula.” If this is done it is usaully because someone is lying on his/her deathbed and they truly desire to become Christian. How is this type of Baptism valid you ask? Well, the Church believes in the universal saving will of God and the necessity of Baptism for salvation (1 Timothy 2:4, John 3:5).


    A Guide to Catholic Baptism - About Catholics
    Hmmm. That's interesting.

  3. #203
    Guru
    ChuckBerry's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    Lafayette, Louisiana
    Last Seen
    10-28-13 @ 01:24 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    3,491

    Re: Should people wait until marriage to have children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I guess according to the Catholic church, they're in Hell.
    In the age of the internet, there's little need to guess.

    there are theological and liturgical reasons to hope that infants who die without baptism may be saved and brought into eternal happiness, even if there is not an explicit teaching on this question found in Revelation.

    The Hope of Salvation for Infants Who Die Without Being Baptised
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

  4. #204
    Guru
    ChuckBerry's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    Lafayette, Louisiana
    Last Seen
    10-28-13 @ 01:24 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    3,491

    Re: Should people wait until marriage to have children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    "and your children" implies that it's not just for THAT generation, but the generations to come as well. That's not an example of children being baptized.

    If infant baptism was needed and important, why wasn't Jesus baptized in Bethlehem? Why are there zero examples of babies being baptized in Scripture?

    It was fabricated by the Catholic church and isn't necessary. Infants cannot and do not sin.
    Jesus was sinless. If baptism is for the removal of sin, why was he baptised?
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

  5. #205
    Teacher of All Things


    Josie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    28,352

    Re: Should people wait until marriage to have children?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Jesus was sinless. If baptism is for the removal of sin, why was he baptised?
    To show that it was necessary and His followers should follow in his footsteps.


  6. #206
    Guru
    ChuckBerry's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    Lafayette, Louisiana
    Last Seen
    10-28-13 @ 01:24 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    3,491

    Re: Should people wait until marriage to have children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    To show that it was necessary and His followers should follow in his footsteps.
    Partially, yes.
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

  7. #207
    Educator AreteCourage's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Last Seen
    08-30-13 @ 12:34 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    790

    Re: Should people wait until marriage to have children?

    Honestly, I don't think marriage should have anything to do with it. You don't have to be married to raise children in an admirable way.

    If you want to have kids, than you need to use common sense. Can you afford kids?

    You can be in a good relationship with somebody and not be married. I know a lot of people who just don't like the idea of marriage. Does that make them unfit parents? No, it surely doesn't.

    I voted "I Don't Care" because it honestly is none of my business what others decide. If it is me...I would ask myself some key questions and make sure I'm ready to be a parent.
    Libertarian and Atheist...wow I'm a hated man.

  8. #208
    Finite and Precious
    Jredbaron96's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    With you.
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:14 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    7,873
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Should people wait until marriage to have children?

    If people want to raise children, then they should wait until their ready.

    For many, after the wedding is that time.
    "Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough."
    -FDR

  9. #209
    Sage
    cpwill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    USofA
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:10 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    57,076

    Re: Should people wait until marriage to have children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Infant baptism isn't in my Bible.
    Actually it kind of is. The same intent was simply carried out through a different ceremony wherein they cut off the tips of baby boys' penis' when they were a few days old. As near as I am aware there was no similar ceremony for girls.

    Nowhere did Jesus speak of infant baptism. Nowhere did anyone perform infant baptism. Every baptism in the NT was adult baptism.
    That is not accurate - entire households (to include children) were baptized in the New Testament.

    Makes sense - only adults can choose to accept Christ and repent for their sins.
    So children cannot be saved? Jesus was only kidding when He spoke of the special nature of those who accept Him like a child? If my five year old boy (who does sin) dies today, he goes to hell because he didn't manage to make it to his 13th birthday? Josie, that makes no sense.

  10. #210
    Phonetic Mnemonic
    radcen's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    Look to your right... I'm that guy.
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:54 PM
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    33,397

    Re: Should people wait until marriage to have children?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Absolutely. I live a rather conservative life sytle in almost every respect. I am now 63 and came of age during the Sixties and was a firm believer in a conservative lifestyle even then.

    I am a big believer that if you do just a few basic things in life, you will avoid poverty, avoid social disaster and be on the path to a solid and good life.

    1- graduate from high school - any high school - just graduate.
    2- get and hold a full time job - any job - just get one and hold it and don't quit to you get a better one.
    3- get married to somebody better than you are - I did and I thank God every day for her.
    4- do not have kinds until you are married, have a few years under your belt and are ready and willing to make children a higher priority than either of you.

    You do that and you are going to be okay.
    I tend to agree with this. I've always placed a lot of emphasis on #1. High school is mostly putting in seat time and learning some basic stuff. To me, it's almost a societal test to see if you are minimally capable. If you can't do that, what the hell can you do?

    As far as the premise of the thread, yes, kids do tend to be better off if the parents are mature enough to commit to each other before they commit to having a kid. Tend to be, general rule, we all know a handful of exceptions I'm sure, but they are just that... exceptions.


    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I can always work like that. Just takes good decision-making.
    If you're saying that the results are guaranteed if you just make good decisions, I strongly disagree. Sometimes people who deserve the best get shafted and people who deserve nothing luck into fortune.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

Page 21 of 22 FirstFirst ... 1119202122 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •