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    Re: Should people wait until marriage to have children?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    No, the point I am trying to make is NOT that anyone owes anyone anything. My point is that it goes AGAINST the teachings of Christ for the Church to turn any children away and to deny them the process of cleansing original sin.
    I will repeat, you don't need a priest to baptise. Your parents could have done that themselves. Getting baptised in a church implies you are joining that community of believers.
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    Re: Should people wait until marriage to have children?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    I will repeat, you don't need a priest to baptise. Your parents could have done that themselves. Getting baptised in a church implies you are joining that community of believers.
    According to what I was taught, it has to be someone who is ordained to perform a baptism. Neither of my parents were ever ordained.

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    Re: Should people wait until marriage to have children?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    According to what I was taught, it has to be someone who is ordained to perform a baptism. Neither of my parents were ever ordained.
    That's religious doctrine created by man, not God. In scripture, disciples baptized. If you're a follower of Christ, you're a disciple. Therefore, anyone can baptize anyone. You don't have to follow some silly man-made rules.

    Although, in my humble opinion, infant baptism doesn't do a darn thing.


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    Re: Should people wait until marriage to have children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    That's religious doctrine created by man, not God. In scripture, disciples baptized. If you're a follower of Christ, you're a disciple. Therefore, anyone can baptize anyone. You don't have to follow some silly man-made rules.

    Although, in my humble opinion, infant baptism doesn't do a darn thing.
    I never knew that. Well, that was MY parents anyway. I actually never had my son baptized because I decided I would let him make those decisions for himself.

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    Re: Should people wait until marriage to have children?

    I was thinking that baptism doesn't really make a lot of sense, because what about those who never had the chance to be baptized, like still born or miscarried infants, or ones who died before they had the chance to be baptized.

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    Re: Should people wait until marriage to have children?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I was thinking that baptism doesn't really make a lot of sense, because what about those who never had the chance to be baptized, like still born or miscarried infants, or ones who died before they had the chance to be baptized.
    I guess according to the Catholic church, they're in Hell.


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    Re: Should people wait until marriage to have children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I guess according to the Catholic church, they're in Hell.
    Apparently.

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    Re: Should people wait until marriage to have children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Infant baptism isn't in my Bible. Nowhere did Jesus speak of infant baptism. Nowhere did anyone perform infant baptism. Every baptism in the NT was adult baptism. Makes sense - only adults can choose to accept Christ and repent for their sins.
    Not speeding is also not in your Bible. Beware of treating the Bible like a code of civil law.

    Peter explained what happens at baptism when he said, "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit" (Acts 2:38). But he did not restrict this teaching to adults. He added, "For the promise is to you and to your children (emphasis added) and to all that are far off, every one whom the Lord our God calls to him" (2:39). We also read: "Rise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on his name" (Acts 22:16). These commands are universal, not restricted to adults. Further, these commands make clear the necessary connection between baptism and salvation, a connection explicitly stated in 1 Peter 3:21: "Baptism . . . now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ."

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    Re: Should people wait until marriage to have children?

    "and your children" implies that it's not just for THAT generation, but the generations to come as well. That's not an example of children being baptized.

    If infant baptism was needed and important, why wasn't Jesus baptized in Bethlehem? Why are there zero examples of babies being baptized in Scripture?

    It was fabricated by the Catholic church and isn't necessary. Infants cannot and do not sin.


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    Re: Should people wait until marriage to have children?

    It also doesn't make sense because what about before Jesus and before baptisms? ALL of those people went to hell?

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