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    Re: Would you like to see the govt confiscate legally obtained/owned "assault" weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Yes, it's another gun thread.


    My greatest concern regarding the discussion about gun control is that it there seems to be some support for requiring gun owners turn over certain types of weapons that they currently legally own. I'm curious how extensive this support is. I'm not asking if you think such measures will ever be taken. I also realize there's another poll similar to this one, but that one's in terms of what you're willing to accept. I'd like to know, if you could have it your way, would you want to see confiscation or requiring that gun owners turn over "assault" (whatever that means to you) and/or military style weapons?

    (hat tip to the member who gave me the idea for this poll, you know who you are )

    A mass turn over or confiscation of certain types of weapons, to what end?

    I don't even think a federal ban of a specific type can pass at this time or maybe ever.

    Here's what I would like to see at the federal level:

    A major crackdown on traffickers of illegal guns.
    Stricter punishments for any licensed dealer who does business out the backdoor or under the table.
    Facilitate more efficient sharing and updating of background information and trace data.
    Prosecute federal gun crimes.

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    Re: Would you like to see the govt confiscate legally obtained/owned "assault" weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by mr4anarchy View Post
    A mass turn over or confiscation of certain types of weapons, to what end?

    I don't even think a federal ban of a specific type can pass at this time or maybe ever.

    Here's what I would like to see at the federal level:

    A major crackdown on traffickers of illegal guns.
    Stricter punishments for any licensed dealer who does business out the backdoor or under the table.
    Facilitate more efficient sharing and updating of background information and trace data.
    Prosecute federal gun crimes.
    HOw about arresting those who lie on 4473s?



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    Re: Would you like to see the govt confiscate legally obtained/owned "assault" weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I agree that arms as intended does not include artillery or ordnance

    but tell me where did the constitution give the federal government to regulate what arms or artillery or ordnance a citizen might own?
    Obviously, it does not.

    And yet, the SCOTUS has supported limiting arms possession.
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    Re: Would you like to see the govt confiscate legally obtained/owned "assault" weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    We ALREADY have laws in place to take care of the problems you mentioned.

    Why don't you tell me what additional laws you would like to see and what you think they will accomplish.
    I'm not advocating any further laws. I'm trying to understand why you will accept laws that are already in place, while at the same time saying that the right to keep and bear arms is absolute.
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    Re: Would you like to see the govt confiscate legally obtained/owned "assault" weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Obviously, it does not.

    And yet, the SCOTUS has supported limiting arms possession.
    that's because they worship bad precedent



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    Re: Would you like to see the govt confiscate legally obtained/owned "assault" weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that's because they worship bad precedent
    So, any limits at all on the right to bear arms is bad precedent?

    The Second Amendment does not allow for any infringement on the right o keep and bear arms, yet you seem to want to exclude "ordinance" from that right. Ordinance is a type of arms, is it not?

    The point I'm trying to make here is that the Second Amendment is not clear. The purpose is not clear. The right to keep and bear arms is not absolute. Therefore, citing the Second Amendment as evidence that proposed gun control laws are unconstitutional is a difficult argument to make, particularly when accepting existing laws regarding the possession of arms.

    The SCOTUS has come up with some guidelines, but even that is open to interpretation.

    and my own position on the subject is that anyone who can pass a background check and a gun safety class should be able to have firearms as personal protection. Is that a violation of the Second Amendment?
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    Re: Would you like to see the govt confiscate legally obtained/owned "assault" weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    So, any limits at all on the right to bear arms is bad precedent?

    The Second Amendment does not allow for any infringement on the right o keep and bear arms, yet you seem to want to exclude "ordinance" from that right. Ordinance is a type of arms, is it not?

    The point I'm trying to make here is that the Second Amendment is not clear. The purpose is not clear. The right to keep and bear arms is not absolute. Therefore, citing the Second Amendment as evidence that proposed gun control laws are unconstitutional is a difficult argument to make, particularly when accepting existing laws regarding the possession of arms.

    The SCOTUS has come up with some guidelines, but even that is open to interpretation.

    and my own position on the subject is that anyone who can pass a background check and a gun safety class should be able to have firearms as personal protection. Is that a violation of the Second Amendment?
    1) having studied the second amendment for close to 40 years

    2) and debated the subject for almost as long including public appearances before legislative bodies, and students and alumni of ABA accredited law schools

    3) and having consulted with leading constitutional scholars including Akhil Reed Amar (Sterling Professor of Con Law-Yale), Steven Calabresi (NW) and former acting US Attorney General Peter Keisler and currently a supreme court practitioner with Sidley and Austin, I have concluded that ARMS in the context of the second amendment meant stuff the average citizen was expected and predicted to own and use and provide if needed for the defense of the community and his household.



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    Re: Would you like to see the govt confiscate legally obtained/owned "assault" weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    1) having studied the second amendment for close to 40 years

    2) and debated the subject for almost as long including public appearances before legislative bodies, and students and alumni of ABA accredited law schools

    3) and having consulted with leading constitutional scholars including Akhil Reed Amar (Sterling Professor of Con Law-Yale), Steven Calabresi (NW) and former acting US Attorney General Peter Keisler and currently a supreme court practitioner with Sidley and Austin, I have concluded that ARMS in the context of the second amendment meant stuff the average citizen was expected and predicted to own and use and provide if needed for the defense of the community and his household.
    OK, then you, I, and the SCOTUS are more or less in agreement as to the interpretation of what "arms" should mean.

    This despite the actual wording of the amendment.

    What about background checks and requiring a class in gun safety?

    If limiting what "arms" are OK is not an infringement, is attempting to ascertain that the bearers of arms are at least sane, competent, and non violent not OK as well?
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    Re: Would you like to see the govt confiscate legally obtained/owned "assault" weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    OK, then you, I, and the SCOTUS are more or less in agreement as to the interpretation of what "arms" should mean.

    This despite the actual wording of the amendment.

    What about background checks and requiring a class in gun safety?

    If limiting what "arms" are OK is not an infringement, is attempting to ascertain that the bearers of arms are at least sane, competent, and non violent not OK as well?
    I have no problem with bgc from licensed dealers

    on private sellers its a waste of time and the fiction of interstate commerce is even more a joke

    gun safety class-cannot find anything in the constitution that allows the fed government to impose that



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    Re: Would you like to see the govt confiscate legally obtained/owned "assault" weapon

    YES
    emotionally
    I knew that I would be in a minority and that the gun lovers are very much evident
    the Progressives are quiet.
    The good solution is for only a "well trained/well regulated militia" and the police and our military to have these weapons..
    Its insane to allow regular citizens like me to have assault weapons - insane !
    We same to be up to insanity, but are we up to fair and balanced regulation and control ????

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