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Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?[W:57]

Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?


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Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

Wouldn't be the first time they were all wrong. ;)

Still haven't found any evidence I see?
 
Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

It's not as easy to dismiss if your law supports equal opportunities, a discrimination case could be made against the employer and the issue could be forced. That is probably the only way it will be done as is often the case with womens' rights and any other rights, they have to be taken, they are rarely given.

You mean like the lawsuit against Sears where they could not find a single women in the hundreds of stores to come forward and claim discrimination?
 
Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

It's not as easy to dismiss if your law supports equal opportunities, a discrimination case could be made against the employer and the issue could be forced. That is probably the only way it will be done as is often the case with womens' rights and any other rights, they have to be taken, they are rarely given.

Serving in the military isn't a "right" (though it's often considered a duty), it's not a social experiment, and "opportunity" must always stem from ability and military necessity, and nothing else. Viewing it any other way is completely and utterly asinine.
 
Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

Funny, I've known a lot of people who wanted to serve specifically in combat-- including several who enjoyed the privilege.

Some women want to serve in the combat arms and specifically in combat. I don't hold with putting women in harm's way, but it does them a terrible disservice to claim they're anything less than genuine in their desire.

I wanted to go to Vietnam and volunteered for it. I was young and ignorant. I think women have just as much right and propensity to be young and ignorant.
 
Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

i see some pretty bias apples to oranges being done here.

First NO FEMALE has turned blue. So ANY female being trained up for deployment has not gone through the crucible. I can assure everyone it was never a case of ONLY the females holding a unit up. I have had a glimpse into a FIRES Bde training up. The 'fat boy' program, a slight misname as it means failed the PT test not always due to wieght, is laden with MEN who couldn't do the simple PT test, much less hump a ruck under armor.

Next I would like to address just what is carried by 'dismounts'. I was never issued a frame for ALICE. Most of the time if we left arm's distance from the track we carried at most a 'tanker's roll'. even in the Light Infantry, the true grunts, we didn't always carry our rucks. combat patrols didn't. We carried a lot of ammo bandoleers and water, C-rats in socks around our necks, but the ruck stayed behind.

Even elite Infantry went out without rucks, the Rangers of 'Blackhawk Down' fame went sans rucks... and it wasn't the lack of rucks that hurt them, they didn't need more boots, t-shirts, ponchos or socks... no they needed canteens in their canteen carriers and ammo which could have been draped bandoleers.

Until you have females who have graduated Ft Benning's School for Bad Boys and THEN failed subsequent training the jury is still out.

For now we have not seen the type of female who volunteers to be one of the most abused types in the Army and damn proud of it.
 
Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

Once women begin typical training for a combat role, my concern is for qualifications.
Yes yes yes, I know, they're saying if they can't pass the training regimin they won't make the cut.
Anyone really feel confident that there will never be a push to "loosen" the standards?
 
Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

Evidence of what?

That the army should change the standards, or evidence that women are fit for the infantry. Evidence for your argument.
 
Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

That the army should change the standards, or evidence that women are fit for the infantry. Evidence for your argument.

My argument is that everyone, including the military should challenge assumptions. Whether they change or not should be based on what they find. Think conitnous improvement.
 
Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

A married man may not want to be bunking/showering/peeing along side a woman. The logistics of that would need to be sorted out. If you notice, however, they waited until one war ended and the other is in the home stretch to bring this up. They are not doing it so women can serve in combat, but so more women can make General.
 
Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

A married man may not want to be bunking/showering/peeing along side a woman. The logistics of that would need to be sorted out. If you notice, however, they waited until one war ended and the other is in the home stretch to bring this up. They are not doing it so women can serve in combat, but so more women can make General.

By the time the next big dustup occurs some of those married men will likely be married to other men, how's that gonna work with the bunking/showering/peeing thing? Look, it's all about unit discipline. What keeps folks from robbing each other in close quarters like that, answer: regs and unit discipline. Same for a lot of things. Comes down to training.
 
Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

By the time the next big dustup occurs some of those married men will likely be married to other men, how's that gonna work with the bunking/showering/peeing thing? Look, it's all about unit discipline. What keeps folks from robbing each other in close quarters like that, answer: regs and unit discipline. Same for a lot of things. Comes down to training.

Really? What it comes down to me is a bunch of women feel like they are being denied the opportunity for promotion because that box is on the checklist so they are willing to let other women suffer in the name of women's liberation. That will change the first time a female soldier is abducted, gang-raped, and murdered on youtube.
 
Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

1) it's what started the conversation.

2) that you assume it is common sense is my point. Life and death may depend on other factors more, and pt may not lead us in the right direction.

3) I've asked for no handicap. Whatever they find should be across the board.

1) "You heard something from someone" holds no weight. I could say that I heard something from someone too.

2) The bottom line is that the women need to be able to carry their gear and perform other physical tasks. That is part of the job description of soldier. I don't know how much more clearly people can make that for you. Perhaps you should try going out into the jungle without the proper supplies and see how well you fare.

3) If you are saying that all physical fitness aspects of the military be "looked over" and their policies be changed, then yes, you are asking for special accommodations be made for women.
 
Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

My argument is that everyone, including the military should challenge assumptions. Whether they change or not should be based on what they find. Think conitnous improvement.

That's ambiguous and doesn't offer anything valid on this subject.
 
Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

1) "You heard something from someone" holds no weight. I could say that I heard something from someone too.

2) The bottom line is that the women need to be able to carry their gear and perform other physical tasks. That is part of the job description of soldier. I don't know how much more clearly people can make that for you. Perhaps you should try going out into the jungle without the proper supplies and see how well you fare.

3) If you are saying that all physical fitness aspects of the military be "looked over" and their policies be changed, then yes, you are asking for special accommodations be made for women.

1) it was the basis of the discussion so many have jumped in on. He claimed it was that history that made the test o valid.

2) what I question is if the pt test measures that or any other actual needed skill.

3) then we are in agreement.
 
Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

That's ambiguous and doesn't offer anything valid on this subject.

They are moving forward regardless. I simply think this would be a better first step. Not only that, it should have been done a long time ago.
 
Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

1) it was the basis of the discussion so many have jumped in on. He claimed it was that history that made the test o valid.

2) what I question is if the pt test measures that or any other actual needed skill.

3) then we are in agreement.

1) Who's "he"? That doesn't take away from the fact that hearsay would be no reason for the military to spend all kinds of time and money to do unnecessary things. I'm pretty sure they are the experts and they already KNOW what it takes to be a soldier, how prepared they have to be, etc. We have already heard from several posters who are military members. They're first-hand accounts hold more weight than your second or third or whatever-hand accounts. Sorry.

2) Who are YOU to question? See number 1 above.

3) Lol. Never!
 
Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

1) Who's "he"? That doesn't take away from the fact that hearsay would be no reason for the military to spend all kinds of time and money to do unnecessary things. I'm pretty sure they are the experts and they already KNOW what it takes to be a soldier, how prepared they have to be, etc. We have already heard from several posters who are military members. They're first-hand accounts hold more weight than your second or third or whatever-hand accounts. Sorry.

2) Who are YOU to question? See number 1 above.

3) Lol. Never!

1) it has now been awhile, but I think it was Jerry. But the point is I was using it as evidence, but merely reporting how the is session came about and that some don't think there is any value in questioning meh assumptions.

2) anyone can question. I questioned it when I was in. During my time I never used any skill associated with the inverted crawl, for example. However, and more importantly, questioning is essential to continuous improvement.

3) ;)
 
Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

1) it has now been awhile, but I think it was Jerry. But the point is I was using it as evidence, but merely reporting how the is session came about and that some don't think there is any value in questioning meh assumptions.

2) anyone can question. I questioned it when I was in. During my time I never used any skill associated with the inverted crawl, for example. However, and more importantly, questioning is essential to continuous improvement.

3) ;)

Okay, and what if they came up with the exact same things? Then what?

What if they made it even MORE difficult?
 
Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

Okay, and what if they came up with the exact same things? Then what?

What if they made it even MORE difficult?

Properly backed with evidence that holds up, then that would be the standard.
 
Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

Bottom line is there are things men can do and there are things that women can do........To the most ardent feminazi in DP that is and undenialable fact.
 
Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

Only a patronising paternalist would deny a woman's right to fight for her country.
 
Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

Bottom line is there are things men can do and there are things that women can do........To the most ardent feminazi in DP that is and undenialable fact.

Yes, but it's quite ignorant to assume there is no overlap.
 
Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

Yes, but it's quite ignorant to assume there is no overlap.

I heard today on one of the news shows that women will have to sign up for the draft under the new regs...(that is all women), Now that is a step in the right direction.
 
Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

I heard today on one of the news shows that women will have to sign up for the draft under the new regs...(that is all women), Now that is a step in the right direction.

We do not have a draft NP.
 
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