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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by kerussll View Post
    The topic is whether women want to be in combat. Nobody is pretending men and women are all equal physically. There are standards for a reason. It's really not a difficult concept to grasp.
    Really? What is the point of having males that can meet the female standards being denied retention/promotion? Either something is, or is not, a job requirement. I may want to play in the NBA, but that is not the issue.
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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    with rampant unemployment and all the poverty stricken people in the US, we can't afford to feed the starving masses of the world (or cure AIDS in africa) either, but you never see many people advocating to stop spending that $$$$$. They always want to come after the military.

    I'd have no problem with reducing our global military footprint...IF we weren't the first ones every other country comes crying to for help whenever there is some natural disaster or crazed warlord killing them.

    you can't have it both ways
    Right, PEPFAR is bankrupting the United States. No offense to you but I really intensely dislike this trope. I don't know who honed our fixation on small programs whether pork or not but it was a horrible thing to do. Our economic woes are entirely the result of fiscal and monetary policy at a colossal macro level, including everything from entitlements to tax reform. It has nothing to do with PEPFAR, nothing to do with NASA, nothing to do with USAID. Dollar for dollar these programs buy us more good and have greater utility than most in the US government. It is mind numbing to hear the demagoguery about 'foreign aid' when it comprises less than 1% of the budget. These things are easy to rally against cause its money ostensibly 'going over there' or in the case of NASA 'up there' and its why I have an intense dislike for populism.

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Really? What is the point of having males that can meet the female standards being denied retention/promotion? Either something is, or is not, a job requirement. I may want to play in the NBA, but that is not the issue.
    Ill say it again. There should be the same standards for men and women! Whatever is required for the job, everyone needs to be able to do. Now if a woman can meet those standards, you have no reason to whine about it.

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by kerussll View Post
    Ill say it again. There should be the same standards for men and women! Whatever is required for the job, everyone needs to be able to do. Now if a woman can meet those standards, you have no reason to whine about it.
    Fine, but we both know that is VERY unlikely to happen since 85% of females would be taken out if the current male standard is adopted.
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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Fine, but we both know that is VERY unlikely to happen since 85% of females would be taken out if the current male standard is adopted.
    That's on an assumption that a given job within the military doesn't have standards above the reality of it's needs. For example, to qualify to do accounting work. Why does one even need legs to do so? So let a paraplegic in to do the job, or else just outsource the whole bloodly mess to civilians. Accounting work in a combat zone? The accounting work still has it's same standards, but the combat zone portion has another set of standards that overides. So likely the paraplegic can't meet those standards, but maybe some women can. The jobs themselves would need to have their requirements looked over and adjusted to their real needs.

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    That's on an assumption that a given job within the military doesn't have standards above the reality of it's needs. For example, to qualify to do accounting work. Why does one even need legs to do so? So let a paraplegic in to do the job, or else just outsource the whole bloodly mess to civilians. Accounting work in a combat zone? The accounting work still has it's same standards, but the combat zone portion has another set of standards that overides. So likely the paraplegic can't meet those standards, but maybe some women can. The jobs themselves would need to have their requirements looked over and adjusted to their real needs.
    The whole idea is for military units to be able to deploy, much of the stateside and support work is now done by DOD civilians and contractors. The "and other duties as assigned" part fits nearly all military positions. Maximum flexibility is an important part of readiness.
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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The whole idea is for military units to be able to deploy, much of the stateside and support work is now done by DOD civilians and contractors. The "and other duties as assigned" part fits nearly all military positions. Maximum flexibility is an important part of readiness.
    The idea and the reality of how we work our military are two different things. It's amazing the number of military personal I saw while I was in the Navy that we have working on our bases in jobs we could readily use civilians in. And as for "other duties as assigned", that could just as easily mean that I am assigned to do a SEALS mission regardless of being qualified.

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Some really big Republican contributors would disagree with you, they like selling their food products around the world - using government subsidies and foreign aid cash.
    good thing I am not a big republican contributor then, eh?
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