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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    however, "soldier" is not because it is generic and it is not a proper noun.
    protocol these days says that "Soldier" is capitalized, at least for Army writing.
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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    No, I can call for whatever I want. Weather I get it or not is another thing. However, I believe it will always be mostly men because, as I have mentioned before, women don't want equality, they want entitlement. 50% of the frosting without having to sacrifice for it like many men do who are called up to go overseas and die. When women pull their weight and become 50% of that, then I will take them seriously when they say they want equality. So far, all I can see is them saying they want 50% of the candy but 5% of the bullets, RPG's, Mortars and IED injuries and deaths. You can't ask for 50% of all that is good without people asking you to do 50% of the work to earn it.
    It sounds more that your problem is with women.

    As for equality, nothing is absolute. You will hear the word equality, but the courts will still favor a mother over a father and will still gut a man's paycheck to support her through life. Sure a women can drive a truck. Can pilot a plane. Can lead a nation. Can run a marathon. But the unspoken truth is that we are unequal. Again, I refer you to the NFL or any sport where gender is segregated. When's the last time you saw an Olympic track and field meet where the men and women raced each other? This truth about physical inequality is more than accepted. It is celebrated in our sports for the sake of sportsmanship. Would you care to see a Football game where one side was all women? Guess who would win. How would you like to see the Marines go head to head against an army of women? Unless you wish to see a slaughter, its impractical. There is a weaker sex, whether feminists admit it or not.

    But let's not voice for the weakening of our infantry just because you have an ax to grind against women. Until our society places women in the NBA, NFL, MLB or NHL....what do you think people want for their infantry - Equality or strength?

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    It sounds more that your problem is with women.

    As for equality, nothing is absolute. You will hear the word equality, but the courts will still favor a mother over a father and will still gut a man's paycheck to support her through life. Sure a women can drive a truck. Can pilot a plane. Can lead a nation. Can run a marathon. But the unspoken truth is that we are unequal. Again, I refer you to the NFL or any sport where gender is segregated. When's the last time you saw an Olympic track and field meet where the men and women raced each other? This truth about physical inequality is more than accepted. It is celebrated in our sports for the sake of sportsmanship. Would you care to see a Football game where one side was all women? Guess who would win. How would you like to see the Marines go head to head against an army of women? Unless you wish to see a slaughter, its impractical. There is a weaker sex, whether feminists admit it or not.

    But let's not voice for the weakening of our infantry just because you have an ax to grind against women. Until our society places women in the NBA, NFL, MLB or NHL....what do you think people want for their infantry - Equality or strength?
    I agree with you completely. But as long as women are on this equality trip and demand 50%, I think they should GET 50%. Especially when they are backed by law to be entitled to 50%.
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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    "Marine" is capitalized because it is specialized and is a proper noun. Even the NY Times knows this. ------> When Every Letter Counts - NYTimes.com "Army" is also capitalized, however, "soldier" is not because it is generic and it is not a proper noun.



    True. But dead just the same.



    True. Women do not generally look for that kind of military experience that men do. But most of the other branches are men as well.



    Never going to happen. Unless near 100,000 women can pass the physical fitness tests that men have to take, there will not be a Marine infantry with 50% women and there's no point in the discussion. You may as well demand that half the NFL players be women. It would change the game dramatically, wouldn't it? How many women do you think you are going to find that would line up and get their asses kicked up and down a field? What owner would guarantee his team zero wins? Muscle, aggression, and power mean everything to an NFL Team. Do you really expect the Marines to want less from their infantry? When on the hike, pick up vehicles are full of women that have fallen out because they cannot handle the weight of a pack at a fast pace for 5, 10, 15, 26 miles. Men fall out too. It is tough. But the percentage of women is staggering. They simply can't do it.

    The military is not a game. It is not a civilian work place where fairness must prevail in all areas. You want fairness, run for office. Even the undiagnosed mentally impaired person can work in Washington. Just turn on CSPAN or do a roll call of Democrats and Republicans. The Marines turn away fat, weakness, and the stupid (despite the stereotype that more fits the Army's standards). Those that are taken get beaten into shape until they prove that they are determined to fail and then they get kicked out the gate. Do you actually think the Marine Corps (or the Army) is going to staff its infantry with 50% women just for the sake of fairness?
    Then women need to get off their equality trip and stop demanding things just because they have a vagina.
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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Be careful what you wish for my female friendss who want no part of the military.

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    My beef is men don't get a choice......They have to meet the physical standards in boot cam.....Women have a much easier physical standard to meet.
    OK a rather valid point. Now based upon that I would be supportive for a lower standard for overall military entrance, with certain ratings/billets/whatever having higher standards to enter into OR anyone who cannot meet a certain standard, is not allowed in a combat role. Very similar, but applied differently.

    I'll be quite honest, I am one for allowing even handicapped individuals into the military. Granted there would be a certain limit to the roles they could fulfill, but I see no reason not to have a paraplegic as a DK or a YN or their equivalents in the other branches, with maybe limits to the CONUS bases. The military has many roles that need to be filled. Set the standards for each role and who ever can meet then can have them, regarless of any status.

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    No, I can call for whatever I want. Weather I get it or not is another thing. However, I believe it will always be mostly men because, as I have mentioned before, women don't want equality, they want entitlement. 50% of the frosting without having to sacrifice for it like many men do who are called up to go overseas and die. When women pull their weight and become 50% of that, then I will take them seriously when they say they want equality. So far, all I can see is them saying they want 50% of the candy but 5% of the bullets, RPG's, Mortars and IED injuries and deaths. You can't ask for 50% of all that is good without people asking you to do 50% of the work to earn it.
    Of course you can call for whatever you want. Doesn't make it any more realistic. To have 50% of the front lines be women, you would need 50% of the military to be women. If you are not calling for a forced service military then the 50% number is unrealistic.

    Having equality for women doesn't mean that an equal number of women will want to fill the same roles as men, or even join the military for that matter. It means that any individual women who wants to try for the same role as a man typically get has an equal change to try and make it. And personally that means at the same standard. You are trying to look at women as a whole, or at least the is the impression you are giving. Not every man who enters into the military wants combat and will choose ratings/billets to reflect that. Look at the chefs. They are non-combatants, yet military. They are not going to be on the front lines. Sure they may have to fight if the fight comes to them, but then so will the women who are also there in the support capacity and some who have already shown that they can hold their own.

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    It sounds more that your problem is with women.

    As for equality, nothing is absolute. You will hear the word equality, but the courts will still favor a mother over a father and will still gut a man's paycheck to support her through life. Sure a women can drive a truck. Can pilot a plane. Can lead a nation. Can run a marathon. But the unspoken truth is that we are unequal. Again, I refer you to the NFL or any sport where gender is segregated. When's the last time you saw an Olympic track and field meet where the men and women raced each other? This truth about physical inequality is more than accepted. It is celebrated in our sports for the sake of sportsmanship. Would you care to see a Football game where one side was all women? Guess who would win. How would you like to see the Marines go head to head against an army of women? Unless you wish to see a slaughter, its impractical. There is a weaker sex, whether feminists admit it or not.

    But let's not voice for the weakening of our infantry just because you have an ax to grind against women. Until our society places women in the NBA, NFL, MLB or NHL....what do you think people want for their infantry - Equality or strength?
    I'll put Laila Ali up against most NFL players. I'll be she can hold her own there. I'll grant you that you are right as a rule, but I've seen some of the female body builder that put professional sports players to shame. If they want to tough it out with them on the gridiron, then by all means they should be allowed. Either they can keep up or they are off the team. You can have both equality and strength as long as you count your equality by a standard (which could leave some men in the dust) and not by numbers and percents.

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    This is to the women who responded yes to the poll..........Do you want to or have your sisters, daughters sign up to selective service or the draft?
    I honestly don't want to see anyone I know do this.

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You do know if there is a national emegency like WW1, WW2 or the Korean conflict there will be a draft right?
    I don't support a draft of any kind.

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by kerussll View Post
    I honestly don't want to see anyone I know do this.
    You do realize that someone might have to right?
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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by kerussll View Post
    I don't support a draft of any kind.
    So what do you do if another country attacks us like Pearl Harbor and because of a president like Barrack Hussein Obama has cut the military to its bare bone and you don't have a fighting force to fight the war. Will you just surrender?
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