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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    would you want your wife, sister or daughter to serve in hand to hand combat and live in a foxhole?
    I know I'm late to this, but I want to respond.

    It doesn't matter what I want. That is irrelevant. What matters is what they want. If they want to serve in a combat role then I will not stand in their way. I will only hope for their safe return and wish them well.
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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    While it's a good thing to be constantly trying to make things more efficient and effective for our military, we shouldn't focus on this just so that women can carry the packs. The focus shouldn't be on "gender equality" (as you think it should), but with national security and the safety of our soldiers.
    If you read back through the thread, I expressed incredulity that with all the real issues related to women and combat, the one under discussion is kit. It's nonsense. It's the least important and more resolvable issue on the table.

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viv View Post
    And Gandhi's mountain was at least as high as this one.



    I'm "dense". What do you expect? (over your head)
    Ghandi didn't fight for a highly sexist agenda and demand that women have lower standards and be capable of less. You're literally the worst feminist on the planet. You go out saying women are equal, but demand that they aren't treated equal when it comes to responsibility and physical standards. It's disgusting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Viv View Post
    While you go on and on and on with the futile, impractical and unrealistic assertion that because male proportions allow them to carry X weight, women must somehow change their physiology to be like men. Women are built differently and they are entitled to be what they are.

    As to heavy lifting, based on male track records we all know how it will go. If men can get away with it, the women will eventually be dragging all of the kit while men will be standing about scratching their parts and making rude noises while talking a lot of crap about sports. I expect that's why you are so pissed that women can't carry more.
    Women don't need to change their physiology, they just need to be able to DO THE ****ING JOB, a job of which you've continued to show you have no idea about.





    Quote Originally Posted by Viv View Post
    Why don't you list the items in the kit you know so much about and I will help you work through them with helpful suggestions.
    Mission dependent, but a standard load would be:
    - Rifle
    - At least 300 rounds of ammo for said rifle
    - Body armor with full plates
    - Grenades
    - Flash light
    - Knee pads
    - Kevlar helmet
    - Ruck sack
    - 60 mm mortar rounds (they're divied up among the patrol)
    - Gigantic radio batteries (also divied up among the patrol)
    - At least a gallon of water
    - Food for several days
    - Change of socks and shirts
    - IR beacon
    - Small batteries
    - Poncho liner (small, lightweight thermal blanket)
    - Radio (if you're a radio operator. I was, it sucks ass because it's an extra 20+ lbs)
    - Whatever the women don't want to carry (according to your plan)

    This is just the bare minimum for an extended mission. There are other things that may be required. With this standard load out you're looking at well over 100 lbs. So take that, load it down on your body, then walk 20 kilometers through the rockiest mountains on the planet.

    Perhaps you'd like the men to be the pack mules, while the women walk around with just a rifle. When the women need something they can just pick it off the back of the men. Equality my ass.





    Quote Originally Posted by Viv View Post
    I'm sure people mocked Gandhi's idea of peace v violence. The British stopped mocking though, didn't they....
    Once again, Ghandi wasn't a sexist bigot that believed that women should be the ruling class, like you. You don't want equal rights for women, you want them to have more rights.
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    Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?[W:57]

    I don't say this to be rude.... But I'm seeing a lot of ignorance about our capabilities and our actual missions.

    I have deployed 5 times ( four of those were to Iraq) and none of them were as a fobbit (not that I'm dissing any of the guys who were just showing I spent much of my time outside the wire)

    I am now an instructor.

    We do not carry big packs just so we can feel like badasses. How much water do you think you need if your spending days being physically active in 138 degree heat? What if your vehicle gets destroyed and you are in a remote hotspot that a rescue team can't get to you right away. We have to plan for whatif,

    Whatif you get stranded and need extra rations and water? What if the weather dips down and gets cold, it did snow in Baghdad in 2003.

    Our equipment does improve with time, particularly after events like OEF/OIF where they can get feedback from how it performs in the "real world". Though the government seems hellbent on taking a chainsaw to our budget.

    I train thousands of soldiers a year, I get to see first hand men and women performing their Army Warrior Task and Battle Drills.

    I am not a drillsgt, I don't train recruits, I retrain soldiers that are deploying, soldiers that (should) already know these standards and be able to perform them well.

    In most instances when I have seen units struggling to perform a physically demanding task it has been females that are holding them back.

    Sometimes its that they are sandbagging ( some women do pull the " I'm a girl can one of you big strong men come and do this for me" ) sometimes its just that they are not physically or mentally tough enough for the task.

    Now I'm not( and have never said) that there are not women who can perform to standard in combat arms units, I'm just saying it is a very small number.

    Polish GROM has some women in it, but the ones I've met looked like NFL lineman with wigs on.

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viv View Post
    If you read back through the thread, I expressed incredulity that with all the real issues related to women and combat, the one under discussion is kit. It's nonsense. It's the least important and more resolvable issue on the table.
    How is the "least important?" Your argument makes no sense at all. It's quite obvious that you have no idea what you're talking about and perhaps it's time you bowed out of the discussion to save what little dignity you have left.

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    If a person cannot handle the job description, an employer isn't obligated to dumb it down just so you can work there. You either can do it or you can't. I believe there are women that can handle the current standards for combat in the military right now. There's no need to change anything just because some women can't do it. This is very true..
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    I'll do the 1.1 and the woman can do the 0.9, this matters not a mote, and in many other aspects, I'll be lucky to do the 0.9 while the woman does the 1.1 ..
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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post


    It's not an assumption that speed and strength are important in combat. That is an observed reality.
    It may be an assumption that the pt test accurately measures how much is really needed.

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Thousands of armed officials, deployed troops, and ranked officers would disagree with you.
    Wouldn't be the first time they were all wrong.

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Wouldn't be the first time they were all wrong.
    So, why be coy? Just say what you would like to see happen. I don't know why some of posters are afraid to actually come out and state their opinions on what they would like to see done instead of playing these silly little childish games.

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    So, why be coy? Just say what you would like to see happen. I don't know why some of posters are afraid to actually come out and state their opinions on what they would like to see done instead of playing these silly little childish games.
    I think I have clearly stated what I want. I shall enumerate:

    1) re-evaluate thinks like the pt test to see if it really measures what the military thinks (as related to the job needs).

    2) have test for everyone, male and female that actually measure ability to do the job.

    3) stop generating and deal with individuals specifically.

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